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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Oct 10, 2009 #3741 of 10248
    todeo

    todeo New Member

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    Mine was from amazon. Here's the info. This was the second drive I received from them. Both would not get past the Welcome...Powering Up screen.

    MDL: WD10EVVS - 63M5B0
    Product of Thailand
    DATE: 20 SEP 2009
    DCM: HARCHV2MHB
    R/N: 701640
    LBA: 1953525168

    I did, however, order a Seagate Pipeline HD ST31000322CS from thenerds.net and using the same computer and instructions, this drive worked like a charm. Upgrade successful with 157 hours of HD space :)
     
  2. Oct 10, 2009 #3742 of 10248
    dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    Just checked thenerds price: $103.98 with shipping. Not bad. And (per "the table") it's made for DVR's and is quiet.

    At least one good alternative if the WD drives are in question. :)
     
  3. Oct 10, 2009 #3743 of 10248
    dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    UPDATE:
    I was able to put a stock 8.2 backup image back on my sick O/S 160GB TivoHD drive, I let it successfully update itself to 11.x, it ran great throughout.

    Then the backup of that 160GB 11.x drive was taken and put on the 1.5TB Seagate 5400RPM LP drive, got me my proper 198 hours, and has been running fine.

    I had hoped to copy my recordings en masse, but as it is I copied my most important off of it via Tivo Desktop, and dumped the rest without guilt.

    Thanks for all the help I got in the thread.
    Diane
     
  4. Oct 10, 2009 #3744 of 10248
    SpokaneDoug

    SpokaneDoug New Member

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    Add one more to the list. :(
    I've followed the previous advice with no luck, now I'm off trying other options on my own. If I get anything working, I'll edit this post.

    [EDIT: Fixed and working! See new note below for details.]
     
  5. Oct 10, 2009 #3745 of 10248
    bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

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    From what's been said above, it looks like the following WD10EVVS drives are incompatible:

    MDL: WD10EVVS - 63M5B0
    Product of Thailand
    DATE: 20 SEP 2009
    DCM: HARCHxxxxx
    R/N: 701640
    LBA: 1953525168

    This is curious because the WD10EVVS is used in both the TivoHD XL and the My DVR Expander. Western Digital is selling these drives to TiVo, you'd think they'd be sure they actually worked. For now, I've removed the WD10EVVS from the first post.

    Alternatives:

    Seagate ST31000322CS @ Provantage.com
    Seagate ST31000322CS @ theNerds.net
    Seagate ST31000322CS @ Amazon.com

    Western Digital WD10EVDS @ Amazon
    Western Digital WD10EVDS @ Buy.com
     
  6. Oct 10, 2009 #3746 of 10248
    eaayoung

    eaayoung New Member

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    I was ready to order the WD 1 TB drive for my S3, but after reading the post above, I decided to pry open my dead My DVR Expansion drive and install the drive in a new case. Picked up a NextStar3 case at CompUSA. As suspected, some internal part is defective and drive still works. The NextStar3 case is not a bad. It comes with an eSata cable that works, has a hard on/off switch, and the light on the front of the case rarely flashes. No fan in the case, but the case gets only warm to the touch.
     
  7. Oct 10, 2009 #3747 of 10248
    SpokaneDoug

    SpokaneDoug New Member

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    OK, I've gotten my WD10EVVS working :D! From the problem reports and my own experiences, I suspect there's some sort of timing issue between this drive and the current WinMFS. I got my TiVo working by booting my Windows Vista system into Safe Mode (w/o networking) and running WinMFS from there, as an administrator, so that my PC wasn't trying to do anything else in the background. Kicking up it's process priority might have been a good idea too, now that I think about it.
     
  8. Oct 10, 2009 #3748 of 10248
    bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

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    Did you have some sort of security or antivirus software running? Safe mode would probably avoid that.

    It's not clear why, but WinMFS just won't produce valid backup images and/or restores when certain anti-virus and security programs are running in the background.
     
  9. Oct 10, 2009 #3749 of 10248
    innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    Well I tried it again with no luck on a second PC running XP PRO and same result. It acts like it goes through fine but once I reassemble the Tivo, it doesn't boot. I just wish there was a program to actually test it on the PC so I wouldn't have to keep breaking everything down. This time I tried MFScopy with recordings and I also tried just backing up and restoring last night.

    I think it may just be one of those cursed weekends where nothing wants to work right for me. Since Amazon was out of stock and I ordered from the new stock, I don't know if RMAing it to Amazon is worth it since I will probably just end up with another current drive.

    I just don't know what to try next.

    here is the MSinfo if anyone sees anything.
    Mfsinfo (Drive 3)

    Boot Page
    Boot Page: root=/dev/hda4
    Active Boot Partition: 3 Active Root Partition: 4
    Backup Boot Partition: 6 Backup Root Partition: 7

    MFS Super Header
    state=0 magic=ebbafeed
    devlist=/dev/hda10 /dev/hda11 /dev/hda12 /dev/hda13 /dev/hda14 /dev/hda15
    zonemap_ptr=1121 total_secs=1951670272

    Zone Maps
    Z0: type=0
    map_start=1121 map_size=1 backup_map_start=589822
    next_map_start=263266 next_map_size=6 next_backup_map_start=589816
    zone_first=1122 zone_last=263265 zone_size=262144 min(chunk)=262144
    free=262144 checksum=3d36510a logstamp=988571 num_bitmap=1
    Z1: type=2
    map_start=263266 map_size=6 backup_map_start=589816
    next_map_start=263272 next_map_size=34 next_backup_map_start=589782
    zone_first=589824 zone_last=138215423 zone_size=137625600 min(chunk)=20480
    free=21852160 checksum=695ac26f logstamp=999265 num_bitmap=14
    Z2: type=1
    map_start=263272 map_size=34 backup_map_start=589782
    next_map_start=138219520 next_map_size=1 next_backup_map_start=138809343
    zone_first=263306 zone_last=589777 zone_size=326472 min(chunk)=8
    free=81680 checksum=38889cdd logstamp=999265 num_bitmap=17
    Z3: type=0
    map_start=138219520 map_size=1 backup_map_start=138809343
    next_map_start=138481665 next_map_size=10 next_backup_map_start=138809333
    zone_first=138219521 zone_last=138481664 zone_size=262144 min(chunk)=262144
    free=262144 checksum=1973bfca logstamp=988571 num_bitmap=1
    Z4: type=2
    map_start=138481665 map_size=10 backup_map_start=138809333
    next_map_start=138481675 next_map_size=34 next_backup_map_start=138809299
    zone_first=138809344 zone_last=310718463 zone_size=171909120 min(chunk)=20480
    free=51650560 checksum=5de4aa7e logstamp=999265 num_bitmap=15
    Z5: type=1
    map_start=138481675 map_size=34 backup_map_start=138809299
    next_map_start=310728704 next_map_size=67 next_backup_map_start=310730685
    zone_first=138481709 zone_last=138809292 zone_size=327584 min(chunk)=8
    free=280704 checksum=4ad31492 logstamp=999012 num_bitmap=17
    Z6: type=2
    map_start=310728704 map_size=67 backup_map_start=310730685
    next_map_start=0 next_map_size=0 next_backup_map_start=0
    zone_first=310730752 zone_last=1951670271 zone_size=1640939520 min(chunk)=20480
    free=1640939520 checksum=7c828754 logstamp=0 num_bitmap=18

    Partition Maps
    #: type name length base ( size )
    1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
    2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@309550766 ( 512.0 )
    3 Image Kernel 1 8192@309550767 ( 4.0M)
    4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@309558959 ( 256.0M)
    5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@310083247 ( 512.0 )
    6 Image Kernel 2 8192@310083248 ( 4.0M)
    7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@310091440 ( 256.0M)
    8 Swap Linux swap 262144@310615728 ( 128.0M)
    9 Ext2 /var 524288@310877872 ( 256.0M)
    10 MFS MFS application region 589824@311402160 ( 288.0M)
    11 MFS MFS media region 137630712@171920054 ( 65.6G)
    12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@311991984 ( 288.0M)
    13 MFS MFS media region 2 171919990@64 ( 82.0G)
    14 MFS MFS App by Winmfs 2048@312581808 ( 1.0M)
    15 MFS MFS Media by Winmfs 1640939520@312583856 ( 782.5G)

    Total SA SD Hours: 1040 Total DTV SD Hours: 908 88 % Free
    Software: 11.0d-01-2-652 Tivo Model: TCD652160
     
  10. Oct 10, 2009 #3750 of 10248
    SpokaneDoug

    SpokaneDoug New Member

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    Yes, I've got Kaspersky installed, but I had disabled Real-Time monitoring while using WinMFS. I moved to Safe Mode just to make sure it wasn't still puttering in the background.
     
  11. Oct 10, 2009 #3751 of 10248
    innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    well i am trying in safe mode now and it is taking a lot longer so maybe this is a good sign.
     
  12. Oct 10, 2009 #3752 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Never give up! Never surrender! :up:
     
  13. Oct 10, 2009 #3753 of 10248
    CraigK

    CraigK (unspecified)

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    My WD 10EVVS arrived from Amazon today:

    MDL: WD10EVVS - 63M5B0
    Product of Thailand
    DATE: 20 SEP 2009
    DCM: DHNCHV2MGB
    R/N: 701640
    LBA: 1953525168

    I won't have a chance to try it out until Monday or possibly Tuesday because of work.

    Thanks to all who have posted here with hints (Safe Mode, Anit-virus, etc.)
     
  14. Oct 10, 2009 #3754 of 10248
    jasonander

    jasonander Member

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    FYI, I hacked my drive today with a WD10EVVS drive I received from Amazon yesterday. So far it's fine and I've booted my Tivo twice successfully. Here's the info:
    MDL: WD10EVVS - 63M5B0
    Product of Thailand
    DATE: 20 SEP 2009
    DCM: HANCNxxxxx
    R/N: 701640
    LBA: 1953525168

    Only thing that's different than the other posters is the DCM, but that seems to be a serial number. I used WinMFS 9.3f on Vista Ultimate 64 bit with both drives connected to my computer's internal SATA controller on the motherboard. I did not use Safe mode and I do not have Kaspersky installed. Since this worked fine, I'd like to upgrade my Tivo S3, but still need to order the drive (I wanted to make sure my Tivo HD was OK first with the upgrade). Should I go for another drive model now?
     
  15. Oct 10, 2009 #3755 of 10248
    roytwo

    roytwo New Member

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    The drive I am working with is

    MDL: WD10EVVS - 63M5B0
    Product of Thailand
    DATE: 20 SEP 2009
    DCM: DANCHV2MAB
    R/N: 701640
    LBA: 1953525168

    And still no joy. Verified no AV running. Also tried safe mode.( the slow time probably due to slower USB drivers). Still goes to powering up screen and stops. Am using 9.3f on Vista 64 bit . I am using a USB adapter, see jasonander used internal connection. Maybe I'll try that. Could that make such a big difference?
     
  16. Oct 11, 2009 #3756 of 10248
    SpokaneDoug

    SpokaneDoug New Member

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    I also used an internal SATA connection when I got it working using 32-bit Vista in Safe Mode.
     
  17. Oct 11, 2009 #3757 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    The DCM is the Drive Configuration Matrix, not the serial number. WD serial numbers are 12 characters. It would be helpful if you posted the full DCM.

    I think I would hold off on another WD10EVVS for a short while until this gets sorted out. If you really want to move forward now I'd pick one of the other recommended drives listed on the first post the Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ.

    Thanks for the feedback. :up:
     
  18. Oct 11, 2009 #3758 of 10248
    jasonander

    jasonander Member

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    The full DCM is HANCNV2MAB.

    Thanks for the advice. I'll hold off on getting another drive for a few days to see if this gets sorted out.
     
  19. Oct 11, 2009 #3759 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Thanks for that.
     
  20. Oct 11, 2009 #3760 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    FWIW I opened a support ticket w/WD for the WD10EVVS explaining what we're dealing with. I want to see if they'll tell me if they've made any production changes (firmware, logic boards, hardware, etc.) that could explain why it appears some of these drives have suddenly become incompatible with TiVo. As bkdtv pointed out earlier, this is the same model number TiVo uses itself so it's really difficult to understand why there would be an issue.

    I really doubt if they'll be very forthcoming but hopefully I'll hear back next week. I'll be sure to post whatever they say.
     

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