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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Sep 20, 2009 #3621 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Very nice. IIRC someone else here did the same thing. Everything you describe sounds very similar if not dead on. I remember seeing a series of "how to photos" as well. Posting some pic's of your baby would be most welcome.

    Nice work in any case and enjoy! :up:
     
  2. Sep 20, 2009 #3622 of 10248
    irieblue

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    I upgraded my Tivo HD with a 1 TB drive by doing the truncated backup method, everything seems to have gone fine, although for the Stars channels (Premium content/tier), it looks to have dropped the Authorization, as it just displays a grey screen. Some of the other channels which also need Cable Card authorization come in in fine... So the question is this. Why is it just Stars that's having a problem after the upgrade... Do I need to ask Comcast to hit the card again?
     
  3. Sep 20, 2009 #3623 of 10248
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    Here is the verbatim text of the pop up:

    You are about to create a partition larger than 1TB.
    It's too large for a stock TiVo to support.
    Do you want to limit it to 1TB?
    It is clear enough in the bright light of day but I carelessly read it as limiting the whole drive to 1TB so I said no, don't limit it. I already had a 1TB drive and wanted the extra GBs I could squeeze out of the excess space.

    Anyway, I redid it correctly this time. Unfortunately, the spontaneous reboot problem I thought was strictly related to the partition oversize problem is actually more complicated, it appears, because still it persists. Remember last year when people would have reboot problems with winmfs upgraded 1TB drives when upgrading 500GB and 750GB drives that had previously been expanded with mfstools? I am having exactly the same symptoms. It is as if the larger drive has remanifested the bug that had previously been corrected.

    Users who have recently done a stock upgrade with the Seagate 1.5TB have reported no problems and it would seem to be the drive of choice for S3 upgrades what with its extra space, TiVo friendly specs, low price point, and 5 year warranty. I also, as usual, did a full long form diagnostics test using Seagate Seatools utility before doing anything with the drive. I have 2 of those drives and I will try the 2nd one next week just to rule out any singularity.

    I really like the drive. It appears to be no louder than the WD GP (but I have no way to objectively test it). The Seagate was about 6 degrees F cooler running than the WD but I only measured the surface temperature of the idling drives in open air.

    So anyway, until I can investigate the problem further, I would urge caution to anyone considering upgrading an already expanded drive (or at least be prepared for an alternate use for the drive in your computer).
     
  4. Sep 20, 2009 #3624 of 10248
    irieblue

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    I went back and put the original 160 GB drive back into the Tivo HD, and the cable card auth *still did not work*. I called comcast and asked them to re-hit the card, and that *did not* work even after hard rebooting, although the cable card itself does seem to work as I can receive CNN HD. So now it looks like a truck roll is needed because Comcast can't figure out how to re-send a premium tier to my cable card.
     
  5. Sep 20, 2009 #3625 of 10248
    SC0TLANDF0REVER

    SC0TLANDF0REVER I Love my TiVo!

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    I think I borked my original TiVo drive.

    I went from Instant Cake to WinMFS, but mistakenly took the internal out before divorcing the DVR Expander. I saw that there is a 'divorce' option in winMFS, so I tried it. I then went through the rest of the steps and the program crashed on me everytime.

    I then put the Internal back into the TiVo to see if I could at least use the Internal until I have more time to devote to the project (and to grab Monday nights premieres). I'm stuck in an endless loop of the error screen about removing the external drive. I go through the 'clear' and 'three thumbs down' screens... it restarts but doesn't do anything other than bring the error screen up again.

    So I tried to work with the drive again in WinMFS. I tried Tuncated backup, full backup and again WinMFS crashes on me. The program sees the drive correctly as a Tivo drive and the stats are correct, I just can't get anything to work. I see there's talk on MFSLive.org about using IC as a source for data instead of the original drive - has anyone done this and had success?

    I just don't know where to go from here... suggestions anyone?

    TIA!
     
  6. Sep 21, 2009 #3626 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Ouch! There have been a couple of other posts where the OP's disconnected their eSATA drive w/o properly divorcing it...and the rest as they say is history; non-cooperation from the internal drive. All is not lost. Here is what I would do:

    1. Use INSTANT CAKE to re-image your original hard drive. (That gets you back to square one.)
    2. To upgrade to a larger drive, use your original hard drive (after re-imaging it with IC) and winMFS to image your new, larger hard drive. (See Section V, #18b of the first post on this sticky thread.)
    3. If you want to use an eSATA drive you will need to "marry" it to the new, larger hard drive. (See Section IV, #11 of the first post on this sticky thread.)

    In other words if you didn't properly divorce your eSATA drive from your original drive, you won't be able to use the original drive as an image source (the OS is still looking for your eSATA drive). But you should be able to use IC to re-image your original drive. As long as you've downloaded the correct image for your particular model TiVo and the drive is a good one, it should function just fine. (Unfortunately all of the core info such as Season Passes, Channel Guide, cable card pairing, etc. is lost.) Then you should be able to use your newly imaged original hard drive to upgrade to a larger drive with winMFS. Once completed you'll basically have a new TiVo so you'll need to contact your cableco to get them to re-pair your cable card(s). Some will do that over the phone, others require a truck roll. The run Guided Setup, etc.

    IIRC you had a failing WD My DVR Expander and just decided to join the rest of us by upgrading the internal hard drive to 1TB. If so, skip the part about the eSATA drive (but it might help others that follow if they are so inclined). I believe that you may be able to use IC to image a brand new 1TB drive w/o having to deal with the original, but I've never done that so can't speak about it with any degree of certainty. The steps I outlined above should work, however have a read through the IC instructions for more details.

    Did that help or just make your pond a little muddier?
     
  7. Sep 21, 2009 #3627 of 10248
    SC0TLANDF0REVER

    SC0TLANDF0REVER I Love my TiVo!

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    Rich, it's clear to me, thanks! I'll let ya know how it goes. I might need to drag out an old motherboard to get IC to co-operate with the CDROM mounting.
     
  8. Sep 21, 2009 #3628 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Thanks, I updated the FAQ as follows:

     
  9. Sep 21, 2009 #3629 of 10248
    jbrady3324

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    I am trying to monitor how long my tivo has been running without rebooting. Is there a screen or a way to tell how long your Tivo has been on for?
     
  10. Sep 21, 2009 #3630 of 10248
    alyssa

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    Wow that's a bummer! You've got my sympathies.

    I think the mfswin "fix divorce option S3" that might have caused the problems. As far as I can tell that was designed to fix an issue specific to the 8.3 version of the tivo software. But I may be way off base here.
    You are right, apparently the supersize did not take. I am positive I indicated I wanted to supersize then did the menu supersize on. But apparently it did not 'take' :confused:
    Regardless, I'm now at 278 hd hours, much better then 251 hd. Thanks for the suggestion!!

    While I had everything apart I decided to run a scan on the external. It did fail a 'long self test' using SeaTools for windows. I'm running a 'long generic test" via my USB so it'll repair bad sectors too. Maybe I'll be able to squeeze a little bit more room out of the drive. Or at least determine if I should divorce it before I get it loaded with a lot of good stuff.

    In re-reading the first post it does seem unlikely that it's possible to supersize the external.
     
  11. Sep 21, 2009 #3631 of 10248
    alyssa

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    I activate the clock. If that's gone I know the tivo rebooted. It's not elegant but it is a way of telling if it has or hasn't rebooted.
    I think there is another way- maybe by monitoring network connections?? I'm trying to drudge up 3 year old memory's & not being very helpful.
     
  12. Sep 21, 2009 #3632 of 10248
    jbrady3324

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    How do you activate the clock?
     
  13. Sep 21, 2009 #3633 of 10248
    alyssa

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    oh, sorry.
    while you're playing back a recorded show press the following sequence;
    select, play, select, 9, select

    you should see two clocks, one is elapsed time of the recording (I think) the other is the actual time. Both of these will be in the lower right corner.
     
  14. Sep 21, 2009 #3634 of 10248
    jbrady3324

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    evanborkow

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    re. wiredzone.com; smooth transaction and a smooth upgrade.
     
  16. Sep 21, 2009 #3636 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Sweet! :up:
     
  17. Sep 22, 2009 #3637 of 10248
    SC0TLANDF0REVER

    SC0TLANDF0REVER I Love my TiVo!

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    I decided after multiple attempts to bring my original TiVo drive back to life to quit messing with it.
    I switched out the CDROM drive to an older one, and finally got IC to recognize/mount the drive.
    I hooked up the 1TB drive and was able to get the drive working in less than 10 mins.
    Finished Guided setup (OTA only ATM) and I'm seeing 131 HD/1244 SD hours in Sys Info.

    Can I use WinMFS to supersize this drive to even more?
    I turned off TiVo Suggestions and would like to claim some of the space used for the ads.

    Thanks for the support Alyssa and Rich!
     
  18. Sep 22, 2009 #3638 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I can't say for sure if you can use winMFS to supersize your new 1TB drive if you used IC to image it. I don't see any reason you couldn't, but no guarantees of course. Supersize doesn't affect anything else so you could give it a try. Worst case is that you'd have to re-image it again, but I don't think that will be needed.

    Glad to hear that it's working again though...and that you can image a brand new 1TB drive with IC and not have to mess around with the original.

    Let us know what happens. :up:
     
  19. Sep 22, 2009 #3639 of 10248
    jlib

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    Well, let me answer my own question since this is not common knowledge: No, you can't upgrade twice (if you used MFSLive initially).

    Another reason to get the very largest drive possible from the beginning.
     
  20. Sep 22, 2009 #3640 of 10248
    SC0TLANDF0REVER

    SC0TLANDF0REVER I Love my TiVo!

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    Rich,

    I hooked up the 1TB drive up and hit 'supersize' - success!!!
    I now have 157 HD/1367SD hours of recording space :D

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