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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Sep 17, 2009 #3601 of 10248
    jbrady3324

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    I just installed 1TB WD10EVVS HD via e-sata on my Tivo HD Series 3. Few hours after installing, my Tivo rebooted for the first time in a long long time (maybe ever).

    Any known issues with this drive or possibly it is just a fluke? Bad drive?
     
  2. Sep 17, 2009 #3602 of 10248
    jbrady3324

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    It started to record The Office and Fringe tonight and rebooted.
     
  3. Sep 17, 2009 #3603 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    What enclosure and eSATA cable did you use?

    You could see reboots if (a) the eSATA cable is defective or has a connector of inappropriate length, (b) the external drive is defective, (c) the external enclosure is incompatible, and/or (d) the eSATA cable is not firmly connected on both ends and/or is moved while connected.

    With third-party solutions for the Series3, an eSATA cable with an inadequately sized connector is probably the most common source of problems.
     
  4. Sep 18, 2009 #3604 of 10248
    alyssa

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    How much space should an internal 1TB and a external 750GB give me?

    I recently did an upgrade & am getting 251 HD hours, is this correct? I did supersize my internal but didn't attempt to do so on my external.
    eta; If I'm reading the first post correctly, I think it should be 157hd(internal) plus 131hd(external)=288hd hours.
     
  5. Sep 18, 2009 #3605 of 10248
    jbrady3324

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    I am using the Antec MX-1 and the eSATA cable that came with it. Seems to be plenty long.
    I may be in luck. Provantage just sent me another hard drive by mistake!
     
  6. Sep 19, 2009 #3606 of 10248
    SC0TLANDF0REVER

    SC0TLANDF0REVER I Love my TiVo!

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    Alyssa, thanks for the update. I've resigned myself that I'm going to lose my recordings since hooking up the External (Feb 08-ish).
    I agree with your sentiment about the basic Linux commands for newbs...
    it would help them navigate easier and help them understand what's happening when they enter the commands.

    Today is the day I have time to fix the TiVo. I'm torn between using MFSWin or Instant Cake for upgrading.
    I'm just gonna install a fresh drive into the TiVo and keep the old one for backup.
     
  7. Sep 19, 2009 #3607 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I guessed about 260 so 251 isn't too far off IMO. Part of the space (albeit small) is utilized by the OS, so it wouldn't be the full capacity of both drives exactly.

    I've really no idea if you can in fact supersize an expansion drive. :confused: Something tells me you can't because it has to do with the partitions (ostensibly on the internal drive), but I can't say for sure.
     
  8. Sep 19, 2009 #3608 of 10248
    richsadams

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    The SATA cable that came with my MX-1 worked fine. There was a time about two summers ago when they had some real problems with them, but I think they've been doing fairly well since then. Be sure they are snug.

    They sent you a hard drive for the price of a SATA cable? Wow! Their inventory control must not be so good.
     
  9. Sep 19, 2009 #3609 of 10248
    richsadams

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    As long as there's not a problem with your internal drive, using winMFS is the way to go. It will keep all of your core information including season passes, etc., plus, and most importantly, your cable card paring. Instant Cake is a great program, but using it is like getting a brand new TiVo. You have to run guided setup, have your cable company re-pair your cards (unless you have FIOS) and that usually means a truck roll, etc.

    Keeping the original drive on the shelf is absolutely the way to go. If your new drive fails sometime down the road you will always be able to pop the old one back in and be up and running in minutes. Plus you will always have a fresh image to use on a replacement drive. :up:

    Happy upgrading!
     
  10. Sep 19, 2009 #3610 of 10248
    SC0TLANDF0REVER

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    Yeah - this is frustrating. I decided to use InstantCake and I can't get it to see the CDROM. It sees it in the initial setup, but I can't mount it. :mad:
     
  11. Sep 19, 2009 #3611 of 10248
    SC0TLANDF0REVER

    SC0TLANDF0REVER I Love my TiVo!

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    Thanks Rich! I think after running into issues with IC, I'm going to try winMFS.
     
  12. Sep 19, 2009 #3612 of 10248
    alyssa

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    Scotlandforever;
    mfswin is dead on straight forward.
    I got into problems most likely because of a bad sata cable and the wrong destination drive size.
    If you want to save the recordings and your destination drive is big enough, mfslive is manageable to the novice. I got into problems because the command line was wrong. Spike posted the corrected command line;
    backup -qTao - /dev/sda /dev/sdb | restore -s 128 -zi - /dev/sdc

    this line is different than the command line generator, it does not have a "p" in the -zpi(?)
     
  13. Sep 19, 2009 #3613 of 10248
    alyssa

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    Thank you
    I may try to supersize the external, just 'cuz it isn't broke so I need to fix it some more.:D

    I kept thinking the internal listed size plus the external listed size should be what I have for space. I guess [288(157internal+139external)-251=] 37 hd hours just seems like a lot of hours to go missing. According to the first post if I had added a 1T instead of the 750GB, I would have had 300-318HD hours.

    I'm wondering about the external Seagate drive. It's been in use ever since the kickstart addition was enabled. Bad sectors? I didn't think to run a diagnostic on it before marrying it back to the S3.
    If I took it out of the system, wiped everything, then re-marred it to my S3 perhaps it would address the partition issue?
     
  14. Sep 19, 2009 #3614 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Might be worth a try, but I kind of doubt it. I'm not so "mathy" but my calculations still only put it at about 260 so only 9 HD hours short...but hey, whatever the case it does seem like there may be more space there somewhere.

    Mind you it's all an estimate. Some HD recordings are larger than others depending on compression, so the actual figure can never be exact.

    Let us know how it goes!
     
  15. Sep 19, 2009 #3615 of 10248
    alyssa

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    where do you get your numbers from? I'm pulling numbers from the first post part IV section 6. I *very well* might have mis-understood a basic premise. In other words, I make silly mistakes sometimes. ;)

    1T(157 hours) + 500GB (104 hours) = 161 hours
    1T(157 hours) + 750GB (131 hours) = 288 hours
    1T(157 hours) + 1TGB (176 hours) = 333 hours

    Regardless of the final number, it's an interesting problem. I might get to this on Monday. I wonder how many recordings I'd loose.

    On a side note; I had both the old Seagate 750GB & the new EVV green drive hooked up for hours without any cooling fans. The EVVS was barely warm, the old Seagate was hot. I wish, I had gotten a watt reading on the tivo prior to the upgrade. It'd be interesting finding out how much less power it uses with the new EVVS drive.
     
  16. Sep 19, 2009 #3616 of 10248
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    Of course, I'm saying 1.5TB ironically here. I got a Seagate 1.5TB ST315005N4A1AS-RK this week on the Fry's sale. Member mmmesq had already demonstrated that this 5900 RPM drive works if limited to 1.35TB on the S3. Similarly, Dssturbo1 had already shown its 7200 RPM sibling also works in the same manner on the S3.

    So here I am, not having to forge any paths or experiment. Should be easy. I had always previously used the mfstools Linux command line on previous upgrades so I am used to checking and triple checking to make sure the command line is correct. Winmfs is so easy I was lulled into complacency. Part of this might be due to me underestimating the 6.5 hours it took to transfer my existing full 1TB drive.

    So, it was long into the wee hours when I was finally finishing up and anxious to get to bed. At the mfsadd point a warning pops up saying something like the drive is too big and is incompatible, do you want to continue. Of course I want to continue, lets get this thing done! I already knew it couldn't use the whole amount of space. I figured it would just give me the correct amount.

    What it really said was that if I continue winmfs will happily make an incompatible final partition bigger than 1TB, not that the drive was going to be bigger than 1TB as I thought it was saying. I pretty much realized what I had done after I clicked on continue but there is no undo so I cursed my carelessness and cursed winmfs for allowing the safety to be taken off the trigger without a more dire warning or at least more a self-documenting one.

    So, anyway, it really does boot up as a 1.5TB system but, as expected, the dreaded auto-reboots kick in in about 5 minutes.

    For the 7 hours of wasted work I am at least going to get the dubious satisfaction of posting my bogus recording hours. Heh, heh...

    [​IMG]

    At least now that I know how long the transfer will take I can plan better tonight.
     
  17. Sep 19, 2009 #3617 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    That was your mistake. ;(

    From the FAQ:

    If you do this upgrade again, perhaps you could take a screenshot of the message so I can update the FAQ with the correct text to minimize potential confusion?
     
  18. Sep 19, 2009 #3618 of 10248
    jlib

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    Sure, I am going to do another upgrade tonight. It would have been nice if your text was in the popup. ;)
     
  19. Sep 20, 2009 #3619 of 10248
    dholzlein

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    A bit over a year ago I used winMFS to successfully upgrade my TiVo HD to 1T by putting a WD10EACS internal. This afternoon I added a WD10EADS internally, fot a 2T total. Yes, I did the internal... based on an attachment method I read on the MFSLive forums. HD 318hrs / SD 2777hrs. :D

    I bought a 3in piece of 6-32 threaded rod from Lowes. I used a Dremel cutoff bit to put a notch in the end of the rod, and then cut it off about 3/8in long. I used an appropriate nut (purchased separately) to clean up the threads. I then made 3 more similarly. (Only need 2, but wanted spares, just in case...) I then fully threaded one of these into the forward most side mounting screw of one drive, with the notch to the inside. (in enough for the outside to be flush) I then partly threaded a second rod into the center side mount screw. I then spun the second drive onto the first, on the other end of the protruding rod. Once they were snug and lined up, I used a small screwdriver to screw the frontmost rod into the second drive. I used a SATA power splitter to power both drives. The male end of the splitter required me to remove a small alignment tab off the connector in order to not interfere with the TiVo Power/Data combo connector. I used two separate SATA data cables to connect the drives to the motherboard and left the original TiVo data connectors unattached.

    I didn't want to take the extra table space and cable risk of an external install. Now I have some space again, just in time for football season to get really going. I did take some pictures if there's interest.
     
  20. Sep 20, 2009 #3620 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I forgot that list was even in the first post. Silly me...I wasn't following my own guideline. Of course the expansion drive would be fully used while the internal would use some space for the OS. D'oh. :eek: So, yes 288 hours or so is obviously right.

    Are you sure the supesizing of the internal took? You could pull it and try supersizing again...it won't affect anything else. Just a thought. Still not sure if you can supersize the eSATA drive or not. :confused:
     

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