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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Sep 11, 2009 #3561 of 10306
    moxie1617

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    I don't claim to know more than anybody but that is what I plan to do.

    There is tool at msflive that is used to create the command line when using the boot CD. The boot CD allows you to copy your current internal and external drives to one larger internal drive. I won't be doing this until next week or later but it appears feasible that I will have a single internal drive with all my current recordings on it.

    I wouldn't divorce the drive and I would explore the msflive site some more.
     
  2. Sep 12, 2009 #3562 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Sounds good. Let us know how things go.
     
  3. Sep 12, 2009 #3563 of 10306
    mmmesq

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    I just put a st315005n4a1as-rk in my Series 3 and it bumped my HD hours from 142 to 198 [UPDATED: 9/16/2009] (WinMFS SuperSize option in use). I also tested the soft reboot from the Settings > Restart option and no more hang at Powering Up screen.

    Fry's just had a Friday sale for these for just $104.99 (should still be going on), when most online sellers have this part for around $150.

    That's the report from this guinea pig.

    [UPDATE 9/16/2009: In my first post I mixed up the Max HD capacity reported by TiVo with my TiVo HD unit, which went from 157 to 213 hours]
     
  4. Sep 12, 2009 #3564 of 10306
    Carlthulhu

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    Very cool, I'm planning a 1.5TB upgrade to my S3 as well. Any thoughts on which is the better drive to use?

    Seagate st315005n4a1as-rk or Western Digital WD15EVDS?

    I haven't seen the WD15EVDS for sale on any of the usual sites, tho.

    Carl
     
  5. Sep 12, 2009 #3565 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Great news...thanks for putting it to the test! I'm considering moving up another half terabyte as well. (Wish the S3 could use all of the space, but every little bit helps...and I don't want to go back to the eSATA days.)

    Although I have a coupe of the recommended WD drives in our TiVo's I've been a Seagate guy for years. The downside is that they can be noisy and you can't adjust the AAM. (HDD's should be seen and not be heard IMHO. ;) ) I found the specs on their web site but I can't find anything about the seek noise levels. Since it's a 5900RPM drive I'd think it would be fairly quiet. How would you rate the one you just put in against the original? TIA.
     
  6. Sep 12, 2009 #3566 of 10306
    alyssa

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    Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I saw the MSFLive disk option. I was even able to generate a command line from the generator. I'm a bit unsure of using the boot CD. I guess I'm afraid it won't be as easy to follow as I found the MFSwin a year or 2 ago. Plus, I want to do the upgrade asap before the fall season starts.

    The thing that gets me is, according to everything I've read, it should be possible to use winmfs. I've never touched my internal hd & married my external via Kickstart. Both facts seem to be critical according to what I've gleaned from Spike's site. And according to the boot CD duel drive to single drive page, it is possible to do it via winmfs. Question is, can I figure out how to do it.

    I just found a possible road block. I've got a 1TB EVVS in house. Apparently, a 250 + a 750 is a little more than 1GB. I wonder if deleting a huge amount of recordings will also reduce the size transferred. I had assumed (I know, I know :eek:) that the more I deleted prior to transfer the smaller the destination drive would need to be. Anyone?
     
  7. Sep 12, 2009 #3567 of 10306
    freqseeker

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    Thanks to everyone here and the creators of winmfs I successfully upgraded my tivo hd. I used the WD10EADS 1TB and copied the original drive using the Cavalry Dual Hdd dock USB 2.0. I used HDDScan to adjust the AAM to 128 before starting. Took just over one hour as I had a couple of recordings I wanted to keep. I now have 157 HD hours, up from 22 HD hours.

    My advice to anyone trying the upgrade is to read the directions several times and check them off as you go. My upgrade could not have gone smoother. It's been running for 24 hours now.

    Thanks again to all the people posting their experiences and helpful advice.

    Vince.
     
  8. Sep 13, 2009 #3568 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Hey Vince. Welcome to the club! :up:
     
  9. Sep 13, 2009 #3569 of 10306
    lrhorer

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    The first hard drives I ever purchased (although not for persoanl use) were a pair of 12" removable media 8Mb hard drives. They cost $12,000 in 1981. Allowing for inflation, that's over $2000 per Meg, or $2 Billion for a 1T drive! I also remember paying $500 for 48K of memory in 1983. By that metric, the machine at which I am now sitting has $87 Million worth of memory in it.
     
  10. Sep 13, 2009 #3570 of 10306
    richsadams

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    I read somewhere that those (often annoying) greeting cards that record your voice to make grandma weep on her birthday have more memory and processing power than the original ENIAC. Not sure how much the ENIAC cost...but...
     
  11. Sep 14, 2009 #3571 of 10306
    jlib

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    You can usually find Seagate specs in their PDF library (26 dB for ST315005N4A1AS-RK). The Seagate Barracuda LP (Low Power) series is basically the equivalent of WDC's Green Power series. So, even though Seagate doesn't participate in the AAM standards, some of their drives are quiet enough that it doesn't matter. The catch is to make sure you get the right model because some recent Seagates are real chatterboxes.

    I think the Seagate ST315005N4A1AS-RK will be the next drive I use for my S3 just to get that silly extra bit of space.
     
  12. Sep 14, 2009 #3572 of 10306
    jlib

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    Thanks very much for the compatibility info and the heads-up about the Fry's sale. I got two off at the $104.99 price which even with tax I come out ahead compared to the typical street price as you mentioned. Note that a TiVo user would want the ST315005N4A1AS-RK LP version of the 1.5 TB and not the louder ST315005N1A1AS-RK regular one.

    Also note that online shoppers won't be able to search for the model number at Fry's and get the sale price for some reason so enter via this link which uses Fry's internal part number instead.
     
  13. Sep 14, 2009 #3573 of 10306
    jbrady3324

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    richsadams

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    The WD My DVR Expander (500GB or 1TB) is an external (eSATA) hard drive designed to be plug and pray for the TiVo Series3, TiVo HD or TiVo HDXL. It has a one-year warranty. The caveat is that only the My DVR Expander can be installed via P&P with the TiVo HD and TiVo HDXL. What TiVo model do you have?

    The WD10EVVS carries a three-year warranty and sells for <$100 right now. The Antec MX-1 enclosure also carries a three-year warranty.

    Building an eSATA drive using the WD10EVVS and a recommended enclosure such as an Antec MX-1 would be a little more expensive. The difference in warranties is also a consideration. (And if you have a Series3 or not.)

    Hope that helps!
     
  15. Sep 14, 2009 #3575 of 10306
    jbrady3324

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    Thanks Rich. I guess I was a bit unclear, however you provided all the info I needed.

    John
     
  16. Sep 14, 2009 #3576 of 10306
    richsadams

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    My apologies...I didn't read your first post correctly. I updated my post. Hope it makes more sense now. ;)
     
  17. Sep 14, 2009 #3577 of 10306
    jbrady3324

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    ahh, okay makes more sense now. I have a Series 3 Tivo.

    Does the WD10EVVS or Antec enclosure come with an e-sata cable?
     
  18. Sep 14, 2009 #3578 of 10306
    richsadams

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    The WD10EVVS is a bare drive, nothing else included. The Antec MX-1 comes with it's own eSATA cable, power supply, etc.

    I had that exact setup w/our TiVo Series3 (except a 500GB drive - 1TB was only a dream then) in an Antec MX-1 enclosure when TiVo first activated the eSATA port a couple of years ago and it worked great. I've since upgraded the internal hard drive but I still use the MX-1 as an external back up for one of our computers...still humming along. :up:
     
  19. Sep 14, 2009 #3579 of 10306
    jbrady3324

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    Great! Provantage is not very clear about the Antec enclosure including a cable (even though other sites say it does) so I just wanted to double check.
     
  20. Sep 14, 2009 #3580 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Yep, that's all you'll need. Be sure to connect it per the instructions (www.tivo.com/expand). Basically you want to unplug TiVo, connect the eSATA drive, power it up, wait 10 seconds or so for it to spin up, then plug TiVo back in. There will be a found/"unsupported drive" warning screen. I can't recall if you just click on "Add" or three thumbs up or whatever, but just tell it you want to install it and it'll be fine. (For anyone else, that only applies to TiVo Series3's as they will accept eSATA drives other than the WD My DVR Expander via P&P.)

    BTW, Antec has a nice little drive installation video here (scroll down and click on "Video"):

    http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=NzA0MjIx

    Happy upgrading!
     

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