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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Nov 8, 2007 #321 of 10248
    chazas

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    I just bought the Antec enclosure, the WD 1 TB drive, and the SIIG cable. I haven't hooked it up to my S3 yet - but the SIIG cable is extremely loose in the Antec, the male connector is just too long for the female end in the Antec, while the supplied eSATA cable fits very snugly. Seems like the opposite problem some people have. It's making me nervous to hook things up.

    Any suggestions?
     
  2. Nov 8, 2007 #322 of 10248
    kohi

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    Just received v9.2a and the eSata appears to be functioning same as before the upgrade. :)

    S3@9.2a - Antec enclosure with Seagate DB35 750mb
     
  3. Nov 8, 2007 #323 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Hmmm...I think this is the first time we've heard that the SIIG cables are loose in any manner.

    We're still using the cable that came with the MX-1 and it's been fine. (We have one of the SIIG cables in a drawer JIC.) I haven't seen any complaints about the MX-1 cables for a while now...perhaps they just ran through a bad batch? The complaints started about the time the enclosures became super popular; going on back order. They may have made a deal with the devil to get some more on the street...hard to say. If you just received it the cable might be a very good one. Everything else I've ever gotten from Antec has been first-rate. After they heard about the earlier problems I'd think they would have changed to a better manufacturer.

    Me? I'd just use the supplied cable. After setting everything up and married I'd try wiggling the cable around a bit to see if you get the error screen from TiVo. If you do you can always pop the other one in.

    Sounds like a sweet setup. Let us know how it goes.
     
  4. Nov 8, 2007 #324 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Excellent! :up:
     
  5. Nov 9, 2007 #325 of 10248
    George Cifranci

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    Ditto here as well. I have a Series 3 with an upgraded internal 750GB and a MFSLive Tools added 750GB Antec MX-1 eSata and after 9.2a it is still working fine.
     
  6. Nov 9, 2007 #326 of 10248
    chazas

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    I did and it seems to be working. The supplied cable is nice and tight; the SIIG connector is both too long and too loose. Very odd.

    The only problem I have is noise. The Antec is quite buzzy. I think it's probably the fan, it doesn't sound like the hard drive, the noise is too high-pitched and constant. For now I put it in a cabinet below my TiVo. Is this common?

    If not I may try to get buy.com to cross-ship me a new one. I'm assuming TiVo would recognize it as the same drive even if in a different enclosure, true?
     
  7. Nov 9, 2007 #327 of 10248
    nuttzy06

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    I woke up this morning to see that the latest TiVo upgrade now officially supports expansion! I never got around to upgrading mine. How are people that had taken on the homegrown workaround faring with the new update? I have all the pieces I just need to hook them up ;)

    Thanks!
    -Nuttzy
     
  8. Nov 9, 2007 #328 of 10248
    rrg

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    The instructions at mfslive.org describe using SATA-to-USB adapters to connect your SATA drives to the PC in order to perform the upgrades.

    Is it actually necessary to use such adapters if your SATA drive enclosures also have USB connections? Can you just connect those enclosures directly via USB?

    I'm planning to upgrade a new (250GB) Series 3 to a configuration with an internal 1TB drive and an external 1TB drive. From the mfslive instructions it looks like I can do this all in one go, with a single command, if I connect all three drives at the same time. I don't have three SATA-to-USB adapters on hand (only two), but I do have three SATA/USB enclosures.

    I expect it's not a big deal because I can just do it in two passes if necessary (upgrade the internal drive first, and then marry the second drive).
     
  9. Nov 9, 2007 #329 of 10248
    JonHB

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    Well, that answered that question! Note to others....make sure you get a "My DVR" and not a "My Book" expansion drive. That one little character in the model number makes a huge difference. :mad: It's all good though, I still need an external drive for PC backups, so I'll just go get the "My DVR" one for the Tivo.

    Thanks for the help.
     
  10. Nov 9, 2007 #330 of 10248
    richsadams

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    IIRC our MX-1 fan was a bit noisy too. I think I remember tapping on it while the drive was out on my desk and it seemed to quiet it down. Maybe it just needed seating or something. It's whisper quiet now and like yours sits in a cabinet, but on a shelf above our S3.

    I'm also using the little stand that came with the MX-1 so it sits vertically. I found that if I slide it into the stand and then pull it up just a bit, away from the bottom, that it doesn't transmit any of the drive or fan hum to the shelf...very quiet that way.

    The enclosures are transparent to TiVo so no problem if you have to swap it out. Just unplug TiVo first, unplug the eSATA drive, disconnect it, pop your current drive into the new enclosure, connect it to TiVo, power it up and then plug TiVo back in.
     
  11. Nov 9, 2007 #331 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Our eSATA drive and everyone else's that have reported in (with one odd exception) are still working fine after the latest update.
     
  12. Nov 9, 2007 #332 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I am almost positive that you have to employ the SATA connectors, ideally while the drive is not in the enclosure. IIRC it won't work using the USB connections. You might want to pose the question on the MFSLive forum to be sure.
     
  13. Nov 9, 2007 #333 of 10248
    rrg

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    I will (have to register there first), but this raises the question: how do I power the drive (for the duration of the upgrade) if not via a separate enclosure?

    I guess power is supplied via the SATA-to-USB adapter, but does that mean the bare drive is sitting there on the table, forlorn and enclosure-less, during the whole upgrade process?
     
  14. Nov 9, 2007 #334 of 10248
    JonHB

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    I had read on the MFS site that the USB will work fine. After all, many folks are buying external USB/SATA adapters just for doing the upgrades.
     
  15. Nov 9, 2007 #335 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Yes, the USB to SATA adapter, at least the one I have and the others I've seen, have their own power supply as well as a power adapter you should be able to use with your PC by using an extra lead from the PC's supply or disconnect one from a CD ROM drive, etc.

    If you feel badly for your naked drive, I suppose you could put a mouse pad over it or something. ;)
     
  16. Nov 9, 2007 #336 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Okay, I haven't looked at it recently. I guess the only drawback would be the slow USB transfer rate as opposed to SATA.
     
  17. Nov 9, 2007 #337 of 10248
    rrg

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    But in both cases (a SATA enclosure that includes a USB connection, versus a separate USB-to-SATA adapter) we're using USB to connect to the PC, so shouldn't it be pretty much the same wrt performance?
     
  18. Nov 9, 2007 #338 of 10248
    richsadams

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    That would be true. USB is just considerably slower than SATA is all. (USB 2.0: 480 Mbps and SATA up to 3000Mbps)

    Let us know how it goes. :up:
     
  19. Nov 9, 2007 #339 of 10248
    S3-2501

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    I've been using a FreeAgent Pro 750 since shortly after the original kickstart code was discovered with no major problems. I'm using a SIIG eSATA cable and keep the drive out in the open next to the S3.

    After upgrading to the new 9.2 software, the drive is identified as "Seagate FreeAgent Pro 3.AFK" under the External Storage field on the System Information screen.

    The only annoyance I've had with the drive is that the setting to turn off the drive's orange lights does not stick after a power outage. With the light on. the drive seems subjectively much warmer than with it turned off. As a result I go through the somewhat inconvenient process of turning the lights off using a PC after a power outage. Fortunately power outages are rare in my area, and it's a small inconvenience I'll gladly put up with for a sub-$200 750GB external storage solution for my S3.

    So the bottom line IMHO is that while there have been many reports of various problems, the FAP may still be worth a shot if you can get one at a good price at a local store with a good return policy.
     
  20. Nov 9, 2007 #340 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Sounds good...and don't get me wrong, I know there are a number in service out there; humming along nicely.

    It's just that there were so many reports of issues along the way that for anyone that doesn’t already have one, I'd probably still steer clear of them. But as you point out, you can get a pretty good sized drive for a decent price sometimes.
     

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