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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jul 2, 2009 #3141 of 10248
    mskvarenina

    mskvarenina New Member

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    Wow, this thread is 105 pages long. Is the drive information dated from 2007 current or are the current drive recommendations buried somewhere within this thread? Is there a wiki somewhere which is constantly updated? At this point I have a Series 3 that I'd like to upgrade the internal hard drive and am looking for drives that have been tested and proven.
     
  2. Jul 2, 2009 #3142 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    The first post is the "wiki." It was last updated June 21, 2009.

    The first post does list some older models, but it also lists newer models too. The Seagate and Western Digital 1TB drives are new. Every drive listed works with the Series3.
     
  3. Jul 2, 2009 #3143 of 10248
    DixonAgee

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    OK. I have an S3 drive - upgrading to WD10EVVS. I attached them to SATA connectors in a newer Dell Desktop. I logged in as the Administrator on an XP SP2 machine. I started WimMFS - and found both drives. (no drive letters as promised). I started MFSCopy and the progress bar began filling. Expecting to take a few hours - I returned later to find the computer sleeping - and MFSCopy stopped with 47 mins 29 secs ETA. I assumed that screen saver or power management may have done this - and since I couldn't get the progress bar moving again - I canceled and closed the copy - turned off Screen Saver and Power Management and re-started MFSCopy. Same thing - the progress bar went about 1/4 to 1/3 of the way - the ETA stopped at 47 mins 29 seconds. :(

    I left it to run for over 4 hrs noting that your documentation said it could take 3 Hrs.. However XP NEVER said WINMFS wasn't responding - it just wasn't showing progress. The drives seemed to be running - I could hear the stepping motor ...

    One more thing - I had cleaned a lot of stuff off the TIVO and removed deleted programs before this process. The drive was not full.

    So - any ideas? Should I try a different computer? I got no error messages - just a program that went into limbo. :(
     
  4. Jul 3, 2009 #3144 of 10248
    JerseyRU

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    To all who contributed, thanks for the FAQ. I just upgraded to a 1TB WD10EADS in a TivoHD.

    Used an older Dell desktop with an SATA to usb cable, and it took me under 1 hour from Tivo shutdown to the start up movie, running great for about 2 hours now.


    Only suggestion I have would be to try the one drive at a time method. Use WinMFS, make a backup on your laptop drive, then shutdown, connect the newer use WinMFS to get the backup from the other drive. This portion of my setup took me under 10 minutes per drive.
     
  5. Jul 3, 2009 #3145 of 10248
    DixonAgee

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    Thanks for the suggestion - I suspect it may work considering how the early part of 'copy' seemed to work.

    My main concern: would I be able to copy my recordings later - or would those be 'lost'?
     
  6. Jul 4, 2009 #3146 of 10248
    dlfl

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    Cool! That exact drive and a USB-SATA cable are in shipment to me from Amazon at this moment, for my TiVo HD.

    Question: Do you have to do anything in the WinFMS software to make the TiVo use the larger capacity of the TB drive?
     
  7. Jul 4, 2009 #3147 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Just follow the instructions in Section V of the first post and you're good.

    As per step #18, WinMFS will ask you if you want to expand the drive to use the new space. You click yes.
     
  8. Jul 4, 2009 #3148 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    If you do a truncated backup and restore, as per the instructions in 18A, you preserve all your settings (including season passes and wishlists), but you lose your previous recordings.

    If you want to use 18B to backup your recordings too, make sure you temporarily disable any antivirus or security software. As noted in the FAQ, some antivirus and security programs will interfere with the backup process. Usually, such software only slows the copy, but in some cases, it may prevent the copy from completing. If you've already disabled any software that you think could interfere, and you really want to backup and restore all your recordings, then I would try a different computer.
     
  9. Jul 4, 2009 #3149 of 10248
    KevinSartori

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    I just wanted to pop in here to say thanks! I upgraded my TiVo HD with a Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EACS 1TB drive back in December and everything has been running perfectly! The process went smoothly using the upgrade directions at the beginning of this thread. Around the same time I also discovered pyTivo. What a combo!

    Anyway, thanks again for all the effort bkdtv and richsadams! Your work here is much appreciated!
     
  10. Jul 4, 2009 #3150 of 10248
    HerronScott

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    DixonAgee,

    I had something similar happen with one of my 2 Series 3 units. WinMFS would hang during the full copy but I was able to do a truncated backup and restore. At some point during the multiple attempts to do a full copy, the original drive registered a SMART error that the PC would report on boot and although it would still work when plugged back into the TiVo, any attempts to do a full copy with WinMFS or run the Western Digital diagnostics against it would hang.

    Scott
     
  11. Jul 4, 2009 #3151 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Somehow I missed Dixon's post completely. I agree, it is likely data corruption and/or a bad sector if the copy is freezing at the exact same place each time.

    Recordings that are not copy protected could be transferred to a computer via TiVo Desktop, etc., but it's likely that a full copy won't work and a simple image transfer will have to do (Section V, #18A).
     
  12. Jul 4, 2009 #3152 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Good feedback and welcome to the club! :up:
     
  13. Jul 4, 2009 #3153 of 10248
    outcastja

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    Hello, I'm new to the forum and have a n00b question.

    I read the FAQ and had a questions about this step:

    Can I use the external SATA hard drive enclosure to connect the Tivo drive and my replacement to the computer? I would like to avoid opening my computer to connect those drives.

    Any info is appreciated. Thanks.
     
  14. Jul 4, 2009 #3154 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    If you install the hard drive in that external enclosure, and you have the means to connect that enclosure to your computer, then yes, you can.
     
  15. Jul 4, 2009 #3155 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    Rich, although it can take a while, it may be worth formatting the new 1TB drive in Windows to see if it fixes any sector errors. Not sure if NTFS or FAT32 matters...just see if a full format works. Then WinMFS may do a copy if the drive is now OK.

    Just a thought.
     
  16. Jul 4, 2009 #3156 of 10248
    spocko

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    Thanks to bkdtv for maintaining this great guide!

    Some suggestions related to AAM in faq #31:

    - It should mention that Hitachi Feature Tool doesn't support external drives connected via USB/firewire.

    - An alternative tool worth mentioning is hddscan. This tool runs under windows and it does support some USB-connected drives.

    http://hddscan.com/

    My experience is that I have 2 different brands of external USB drives, buth using WD drives, and hddscan allowed me to change the AAM setting on both. Strangely is does not allow me to change features on my internal drives (an IDE Maxtor, and a SATA WD). HFT on the other hand does support my internal drives, but not the USB ones.
     
  17. Jul 4, 2009 #3157 of 10248
    spocko

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    Good to hear another confirmation, thanks. I'm upgrading a THD with a WD10EACS today. :)
     
  18. Jul 4, 2009 #3158 of 10248
    richsadams

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    First the problem is most likely with the TiVo drive not the new drive. Even though it works if the copy is freezing at exactly the same point each time it's almost certainly a problem with the OEM drive as the new drive would not use the exact same sectors every time.

    And just to be clear, Do NOT mount a TiVo drive in Windows. If you use the disk management included in Windows XP or Vista to mount the drive the Tivo Bootpage will be erased. If that happens there are tools to fix it so it's not a total loss but if you format the drive the image will be useless.

    There are programs available like Spinrite that will attempt to repair bad sectors, but the cost is pretty high...about as much as a new hard drive. If the new drive is suspected it is not worth trying to repair it at all as it will more than likely have problems later as well. Best bet is to return the new drive for a replacement.

    If there is an issue with the TiVo drive it might be worth trying TiVo's built-in diagnostics called Kickstarts to see if things can be resolved.
     
  19. Jul 4, 2009 #3159 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    Rich, I thought his issue was with the NEW Drive and not the OEM drive in the TiVo. I would never suggest "messing" with the original drive!
     
  20. Jul 4, 2009 #3160 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Of course not, but there are folks that will follow and might think "Hey, that sounds like a good idea...it should work on my TiVo drive too...I'll try it!" :eek:

    The odds of the failure happening at the same point every time being caused by the new drive are really low. Each time a drive is formatted and data is transferred different sectors are used based on head position, existing data/sectors used, any number of factors. That's why I think it's probably the TiVo drive that has an issue.

    The same scenario pops up now and then when someone tries to transfer a recording from TiVo to their computer. The transfer fails at the exact same point every time. Although the recording seems to play on TiVo just fine, more often than not if the recording is carefully viewed you can usually see some brief glitch in the playback at the exact place the transfer stopped. That indicates some sort of data corruption. TiVo's error correction can overcome the problem, but during a bit-for-bit transfer the "glitch" can be fatal.

    Again, if there is a problem with the new hard drive it's not worth dealing with IMO and it should be returned.
     

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