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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jun 25, 2009 #3121 of 10248
    markj911

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    I did not see that before I bought the drive. What is troubling is that it only sees 320GB not the 1.1TB max. Any ideas?
     
  2. Jun 25, 2009 #3122 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Where are you seeing any hard drive size measurement on TiVo at all? TiVo only estimates recording time in HD or SD in hours. Or are you referring to what winMFS displayed?
     
  3. Jun 25, 2009 #3123 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    If the TiVo isn't reporting more than 143 HD hours on the System Information screen, then you need to reconnect the drive to your computer and select Mfsadd in WinMFS. When WinMFS asks you whether to restrict expansion to 1.1TB (1.0TiB), click yes.
     
  4. Jun 25, 2009 #3124 of 10248
    markj911

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    I used InstantCake is there a way to do that with InstantCake or do I need to obtain WinMFS?
     
  5. Jun 25, 2009 #3125 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    InstantCake doesn't support drives larger than than 1.1TB (1.0TiB). You need to use WinMFS.

    I think you may have to redo the upgrade from scratch if you tried to use InstantCake on a drive larger than 1.1TB. I'm not certain. Hopefully, you still have the original TiVo drive lying around.
     
  6. Jun 26, 2009 #3126 of 10248
    markj911

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    Thanks! I wish the original drive was usable, it exhibited the 'click of death' I do not see anywhere on the DVRupgrade site about bringing a 1TB up to a recognized 1TB by the Series III. Does Instantcake do that automatically or do you need WinMFS?
     
  7. Jun 26, 2009 #3127 of 10248
    moscovitzd

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    Thanks Rich. I'm willing to spend the extra $ for the 1.5 TB drives knowing that I'll only get 1.26 of usable space. Does anyone have a suggestion for what hard drive model to use on a TivoHD?
     
  8. Jun 26, 2009 #3128 of 10248
    richsadams

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    The WD15EADS should work fine in your TiVo HD (but not a Series3). Just make sure you only expand the drive to the appropriate amount in winMFS. If you expand it fully it won't work.

    Also note that the WD15EADS isn't an AV/DVR drive and will need to have the Automatic Acoustic Management (AAM) dialed down to 128 to make it as quiet as possible. You can use the Hitachi Feature Tool to do that.
     
  9. Jun 26, 2009 #3129 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    InstantCake is supposed to correctly expand any drive up to 1.1TB in size. I know it doesn't support >1.1TB drives, but I don't recall whether it tries to use the full capacity of the drive (which will cause instability) or whether it uses the stock amount.

    How much capacity does your TiVo Series3 report on the System Information screen? If it reports 30 something hours, or 140 something hours, then I think you can expand to the full 1.35TB with WinMFS.

    AFAIK, the WD15EVDS is coming in ~4 weeks. If you want something right now, you might look at the WD15EADS and Seagate ST31500541AS.

    If it were me, I would probably wait on the WD15EVDS. Newegg's reviews on the WD15EADS make me a little uneasy.
     
  10. Jun 26, 2009 #3130 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Good advice as well.
     
  11. Jun 26, 2009 #3131 of 10248
    hansende

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    I just bought a $170 1TB Western Digital DVR Expander from Amazon and it arrived today. I unplugged my Series 3 Tivo "with software version 11.0C), connected the wire between the units, plugged in the Expander, waited 15 seconds, then plugged in the Tivo. In Setting i...External Storage it says and external storage device was not detected! So I repeated the above steps and it still can't see the device. Any thoughts about what I should do?
     
  12. Jun 27, 2009 #3132 of 10248
    richsadams

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    The order sounds right...

    1. Connect the eSATA cable to the drive and TiVo
    2. Power up the eSATA drive (wait 10 seconds or so for it to spin up)
    3. Power up TiVo and follow the on-screen instructions

    It doesn't sound like the eSATA drive and TiVo are communicating initially as it isn't asking you if you want to add the external drive when you first boot up. (This screen should appear.)

    First, is the drive spinning up? Can you hear seek noise (clicking)? If it is I'd then check the eSATA cable and connections to be sure they're secure, even try reversing the cable.

    If it's spinning up and the connections are snug you could try using the menus to add it but it also sounds like you've already gone down that road. If all of that is true my WAG would be that it's either a bad cable or a bad enclosure, specifically the bridge/chip set.

    IIRC a couple of other folks had trouble with their Western Digital 1TB My DVR Expanders recently and had to return them. The same thing happened when they first introduced the 500GB version. Back then most of the issues were with the sub-standard eSATA cables that were included with the units. WD finally got their act together, but IIRC it took several months. You could try another cable. The recommended SIIG Serial ATA external cable is about $12 or you may need to return it to Amazon and have them ship a new drive.
     
  13. Jun 27, 2009 #3133 of 10248
    hansende

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    Thanks Rich for the very helpful insight! The WD esata drive's circular light is on and I can hear it spinning inside. So I turned everything off and reversed the 3' cable and still "no worko" (After the "THX" display the Tivo main menu comes up) Before I send it back I will buy a esata cable from a nearby Radio Shack (they allow full refunds) and try that out. I will let you (and others) know the outcome. Update!!!! I just went over to check the Tivo and the Update message came on!!! So maybe it was the cable connection as you stated!!
     
  14. Jun 29, 2009 #3134 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Working now?
     
  15. Jun 29, 2009 #3135 of 10248
    Joe3

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    As we tell our children, it always pays to study.

    Warning-Weekend Discovery

    If you have a busted FAP enclosure drive, rip out the Seagate Hard drive and put it in an MX1 enclosure to see if it works before you turn it into a Popsicle by sticking it in the freezer.

    It just might be the bridge. I found out hundreds of hours late while waiting for the 1.5TB 5900RPM 32MB Cache SATA II/300 to arrive from PROVANTAGE. Nevertheless, I am happy to report that whatever Seagate Hard dive is in the FAP seems to handle extreme temperatures well.

    The 1.5TB 5900RPM 32MB Cache SATA II/300 seems to be doing well so far in the S3. I had to put my ear to the TiVo to actually here it. Unless I am losing my hearing and I could be, the 1.5TB 5900RPM 32MB Cache SATA II/300 is quieter than what I took out of the S3.

    So, the ripped out Seagate Hard drive that I put in the MX1 enclosure gave me back the original extra 750 GB plus the 1.5 GB internal leaves me with about a 1TB more than what I needed plus 3.3 in outside the TiVo archive hard drive space so you can understand my alert. :cool:

    In backing up what I thought was a failing hard drive using kmitt and restoring it to the new hard dive using Pytivo I lost my entire whish-list created folders by actor or director. Since it's going to take some days before the restore is complete at a 13 to 15--transfer rate I was wondering.

    Question: is there any way to get back or redo those whish-list folders that I lost in the transfer?

    Thanks

    Joe
     
  16. Jun 29, 2009 #3136 of 10248
    richsadams

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    This earlier post said the same thing; FAP eSATA drive failed, pulled the drive, stuck it in an MX-1 and all was right with the world once more. Good advice. :up:
     
  17. Jun 29, 2009 #3137 of 10248
    hansende

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    Yes!! Thanks again Rich. It must have been the cable connection. I turned the cable around and it has been working for a couple of days now.
     
  18. Jun 29, 2009 #3138 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Woo hoo!
     
  19. Jun 30, 2009 #3139 of 10248
    Josh

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    Kind members & gurus,

    I've read hundreds of posts here and the FAQ and have what I believe to be a simple clarification before I break out the Torx screwdrivers.

    I have a TivoHD with a replacement Weaknees 1TB drive in it, purchased from them. Single drive. I now wish to add a MyDVR Expander 1TB and know that it doesn't work out of the box, but needs pairing.

    The FAQ clearly points me in this situation to Section IV, item #10. The instructions there seem pretty clear, however Weaknees, who have always been helpful to me in the past (I've bought about 8 different drives from them over the years), is telling me that these tools (WinMFS, MFS Tools) can NOT be used if you have a TivoHD... that it won't work right. (They want to sell me their $95 upgrade process).

    Is this correct?? Can someone confirm that my TivoHD with a single (replacement) Weaknees 1TB internal drive can be paired easily with the 1TB myDVR Expander by pulling the internal drive, connecting it and the DVRExpander to a PC via Sata->USB2 adapters and then using WinMFS command MFSadd? or, in my situation, do I need to go to the MFSLive Boot CD and issue the command "mfsadd -r 4 -x /dev/sda /dev/sdb", as described in that section of the FAQ? Sorry if these are obvious questions... been trying for many hours to answer these questions on my own and can't find this particular situation described - a larger replacement internal drive with a MyDVR Expander external drive (rather than a plain vanilla empty SATA drive), all on a TivoHD.

    I'm not bothered at all by performing my own upgrade, nor by pulling out drives and getting them connected to a PC, I just want to make sure I won't brick my Tivo, lose my recordings, nor do any other permanent harm.

    Thank you very much for your guidance and help.

    --josh
     
  20. Jun 30, 2009 #3140 of 10248
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    Is this something they told you on the phone or do you have an email snippet you can post?
     

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