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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. goldenmonkey

    goldenmonkey New Member

    Jan 12, 2007
    that worked! i had posted this in the upgrade forum too (wasn't sure which was more appropriate) and got the answer.

    the option 1 worked just fine, i was THIS close to buying instantcake restore too.

    and yeah, even though i knew to follow the instructions as written, when i saw the drive not recognized i thought "i need to fix that" and tried to take matters in my own hand. the second i clicked initialize i thought "crap... i bet winMFS would have been able to recognize it, i probably shouldn't have done that"

    glad i didn't go any further.
  2. andy_hd

    andy_hd New Member

    Mar 14, 2008
    This won't work. The 'hdparm' command doesn't work over a USB-> SATA adapter. If anyone does know of a good way to quiet a SATA drive without a SATA connection in their computer, I'd like to hear it.
  3. jlib

    jlib Lean Forward

    Nov 21, 2002
    I stand corrected then. My comment was based on this post but now upon rereading, it is not clear if the poster was using a USB enclosure or a USB->SATA adapter as I had assumed to access the drive. Without further corroboration from other USB->SATA users, I withdraw my comment.
  4. DixonAgee

    DixonAgee New Member

    Jan 19, 2005
    I was browsing the Western Digital website and found a link to a Product Overview .pdf brochure for the AV-GP drives. In the brochure it lists a WD15EADS 1.5TB drive. The brochure is dated May 2009. Is such a drive available? The link is on the westerndigital.com with the additional path of /en/library/ce/2879-701250.pdf (Sorry, I don't have enough posts to show full URL by itself). It seems that it might be useful for some upgrades were the limit is 1.35 GB ... but is the drive actually available?

    I'm thinking of putting an internal drive upgrade in my Series 3.

    - DixonAgee
  5. richsadams

    richsadams New Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    Welcome to the forum...and the Internet? Google's search engine is a wonderful invention. So is the one on the forum! ;)

    WD WD15EADS for about $135.

    You should be aware however that others that have had mixed experiences with that drive in the Series3. Some have experienced a soft reboot issue (wherein TiVo will not reboot via a menu restart or automatically after a software upgrade). So it is not a recommended drive for the Series3.

    A list of recommended hard drives can be found in the first post of this thread.

    Happy upgrading! :up:
  6. newskilz

    newskilz New Member

    Jul 11, 2008
    To answer your question about drive availability:
    Google Results for WD15EADS

    Looks Like I was beat to it. :) At least I can vouch for Newegg, I've ordered from them multiple times with no problems. Very reputable online retailer in my opinion.
  7. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    As noted above, the WD15EADS isn't listed in the first post because some revisions of that drive are reportedly incompatible with the older TiVo Series3 DVR. Some revisions of the EADS line exhibit the "soft reboot" issue when installed in a Series3; this means that the TiVo will not boot correctly after a software update or a restart through the menus; with these drives installed, the TiVo will only reboot correctly after you pull the plug. There's no way to guarantee that you get a compatible revision of an EADS drive when you buy one.

    You can take your chances on the WD15EADS and hope you get a compatible revision. Another option would be the just-released Seagate ST31500541AS. Or you could just pick one of the drives in the first post which are known to work reliably in both the TivoHD and TiVo Series3.
  8. Onions2009

    Onions2009 New Member

    May 7, 2009
    Do you have any tips on how to preserve it? iknow you said it may be difficult!
  9. DixonAgee

    DixonAgee New Member

    Jan 19, 2005
    Thanks to all who responded about the WD15EADS. I'll take your advice to heart.


  10. c3

    c3 TiVoholic

    Sep 8, 2000
    A clicking hard drive means it's in a very bad shape, worse than just having a few bad sectors. If the problem is localized in some non-critical sectors, dd may still work if it can continue after the bad sectors. dd_rescue may help with the copying speed.

    I have heard people trying to recover the data by freezing the drive first or running the drive in a refrigerator. No personal experience.
  11. jlib

    jlib Lean Forward

    Nov 21, 2002
    I had always thought those stories were merely apocryphal. Five years ago I had a 250GB drive filled with MP3 files not backed up. The drive failed and even Spinrite was no help in getting through the click of death.

    In desperation I tried the freeze technique. Freezing the drive for an hour gave me about 10 minutes of use to allow copying data off before failure again. I repeated this multiple times (I seem to remember losing an entire Saturday to the project) and I still have all the data (in redundant form this time around).

    Sometime later I proudly boasted to a chef friend that I could recover his unbacked up recipe collection from a drive with similar symptoms. That time I had no success whatsoever and, to my embarrassment, had to humbly return unrescued drive. Sometimes the magic works and sometimes it doesn't.
  12. husky55

    husky55 New Member

    Feb 2, 2008
    Madison, CT
    I know that WD drive has been the preferred drive for Tivo. I own one myself. But look at this:

    $69.99 after coupon EMCLTMM28

    LINKY [newegg.com]

    Brand SAMSUNG
    Series EcoGreen F2
    Model HD103SI
    Interface SATA 3.0Gb/s
    Capacity 1TB
    RPM 5400 RPM
    Cache 32MB
    Average Seek Time 8.9ms
    Average Latency 5.52ms
    Physical Spec
    Form Factor 3.5"

    It is rumored that this drive sports 2 platters of 500GB per platter.

    Wonder if anybody tried this with Tivo.

  13. jlib

    jlib Lean Forward

    Nov 21, 2002
    There were mixed results with the Spinpoint F1 predecessor drive. I don't remember anyone reporting on this new one yet. It certainly has the right kind of specs and that is the kind of price that TiVo upgraders have been waiting years for. For that price it is worth risking being a pioneer. ;)
  14. Joe3

    Joe3 New Member

    Dec 12, 2006

    A little awkward to admit this but my external 750 went bonker clicking last week and gave the blue screen of can’t find external drive and would I like to disconnect it. I resisted the temptation for days as I continued every hard reboot I could think of. I finally order the Seagate ST31500541AS, but as I was mourning the loss of about 1TB while driving on the road in my car I remembered the old frantic when all else fails run to your freezer and throw your high tech in option.

    However, when I reconnected the hard drive when it looked like a frosty draft from the tap it didn’t work. It was only when the water beads appeared that it finally came back to life. It gave me about 120 hrs to back up the TiVo using kmttg - TTG program for 1 step download, decrypt,and encode and did it painstakingly in real time.

    They still haven’t shipped the Seagate ST31500541AS, but the external drive isn’t clicking and evidently doesn’t want go back in the cold.

    Just goes to show a frozen TiVo isn't all bad.
  15. richsadams

    richsadams New Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    Nice find. :up: I just ordered one - $69.99 w/coupon code incl. shipping - saahweet! I think back to the first WD 1TB a bunch of us bought for $259 from BB a couple of years ago...and we thought we really scored. :rolleyes: And hey, I'm always up for a challenge!

    I was looking for a good backup drive. So I'll go ahead and image this new Sammy and pop it into my TiVo HD, pull the WD10EVCS and use it for a backup drive for one of my Mac's if it works. I know the Spinpoints were problematic in TiVo's for some folks (soft reboot issue or just flaky IIRC) so if it doesn't work in the TiVo HD I'll just slip the WD back in and use the Sammy for a backup. Win-win! :D

    I'm mucho busy the next couple of weeks but I'll post back ASAP.
  16. lynnalexandra

    lynnalexandra New Member

    Apr 26, 2009
    I've been reading through this post - but still need to doublecheck things to be sure. I have a TivoHD (TCD652160) and want to upgrade it. From the first page, it looks like I can replace the hard drive with a 1TB (or even a 1.5TB) hard drive. I would like to maximize the storage space of this unit. At least one ebay seller told me I could put in a 2GB hard drive - but from what I see here, that isn't true. This is why I want to check and doublecheck.

    I was going to be getting a 1TB dvr expander for my birthday in a few days. Is there a way to change the hard drive and use the expander - for a total of 2TB of storage? If so, I have some vague idea that I have to do it at the same time. Is that right? If I replace the hard drive first, is it too late to add the expander later? If I swap the hard drive, can I use the dvr expander or would I have to use a non-tivo-endorsed external hard drive?

    Can I use a 1/5 TB hard drive (rendering me with a useable 1.2 TB or storage) and also add an external 1TB drive?

    Rich - you mentioned in my other thread that there was a Western Digital drive going for around $99. But does this have to be somehow prepared for use in the Tivo? I don't know if I can handle that. I bought a 500GB hard drive and replaced the one in my Tivo2 - but I believe that hard drive was already some prepared for a Tivo. All I did was unplug the original drive and plug in this one.

    I'm a bit disheartened that a seller (who sold me the great 500GB drive for my Tivo2) would tell me I can put a 2TB drive in the TivoHD (TCD652160) if that is incorrect. And the seller and I were very specific about this being the model I had.


    PS if I can change internal hard drive and add external drive, can someone tell me where to get specific instructions on how to do this - in what order - bc. I'm under the impression that it has to be done simultaneously or it won't work.
  17. jlib

    jlib Lean Forward

    Nov 21, 2002
    Not really a rumor it is just that people were thinking it was going to be vaporware as the F1 (1/3 TB platters) was for so long. The fact that they are actually shipping only six months after announcing is great news.
  18. jlib

    jlib Lean Forward

    Nov 21, 2002
    I'll let those who have actually done the double upgrade comment on the details. I only want to urge you to not do the external upgrade by itself if you imagine you will ultimately want to upgrade the internal one also. Do the internal upgrade first or simultaneously with the external one.

    Secondly, if you have access to a modern PC and have no aversion to opening it up to, for example, replace a drive or memory then you can definitely handle the upgrade process with the software tools that are available these days.
  19. Buddy-series3

    Buddy-series3 New Member

    May 17, 2009
    OK, bought the 1TB WD drive recommended for internal replacement, bought the Torx drivers, now to make change. Recommened is to buy a SATA to USB cable from New Egg to hook up to the 'puter. I can do this but .... since I have an eSATA connection on my laptop and have an eSATA cable from my external WD I am no longer going to use, CAN I DOWNLOAD/SWAPOUT/do the WinMFS thing with this connection instead of the SATA to USB? This will save time and a few bucks.
  20. joepapeo

    joepapeo New Member

    Aug 17, 2004
    following the instructions to upgrade. i am going from a WD 1TB drive (wrong model) to the proper 1TB WD drive.

    my estimated time remaining after running msfcopy for 30 minutes is 3 hours. is this normal?

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