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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. May 1, 2009 #2841 of 10248
    phantomsax

    phantomsax I break things

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    Oops. Hehehe. :D I don't even have a flash drive that small anymore. Long day of work followed up with tearing into my Tivo in the evening. Thank you for pointing out I am dumb. :eek:
     
  2. May 1, 2009 #2842 of 10248
    Dssturbo1

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    just normal operation. after 2 days it will put up the yellow dot icon and give that reminder info unless you change it to save until i delete.

    no you will not lose it. even if it goes to the deleted folder, your Tivo will not delete it until it actually needs the space to record something and there is no free space or you decide to premanently delete it your self manually. so it could sit there with the yellpw dot or in your recently deleted folder for a long long time until your hard drive is filled up.
     
  3. May 1, 2009 #2843 of 10248
    Bierboy

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    yeah...what he said...it's normal. Easiest way to alleviate your paranoia is to KUID all your shows.
     
  4. May 1, 2009 #2844 of 10248
    greg_burns

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    Would not recommend doing that. If you do it will stop recordings things long before it is anywhere near out of space. I am not good at explaining the whys of that, but I will try and dig up some threads that do.

    Read this kind of thing many times here...
     
  5. May 1, 2009 #2845 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    I think it's time to read the TivoHD FAQ. :)

    From II. Introduction, FAQ #24 in the first post to this thread.

     
  6. May 2, 2009 #2846 of 10248
    phantomsax

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    Well, to reiterate what I said before, that is just plain dumb IMO. My girlfriend (non-technical by any standard) has been marking everything in our older Series 2 (we refer to that as 'her' Tivo, which keeps the peace in our home) as KUID for years because the yellow dot, yellow dot with exclamation point, and the warning saying it is going to only keep it until today/tomorrow..., all have led her to believe it was going to actually delete it. Why say it is going to delete something when it isn't? It even had me fooled and I have a degree in computer engineering and minored in human factors so I don't think it is an intelligence issue.

    To quote Dr. Seuss: “I meant what I said and I said what I meant.”

    I will let it go despite the ominous warnings and we will see what happens. I will however mark anything NOT on Hulu as KUID just in case it does zap anything. We go through it pretty regularly so it shouldn't be an issue. If I have 157 hours on my Tivo call the police because it most likely means I died.
     
  7. May 2, 2009 #2847 of 10248
    bicker

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    Okay, my wife read over the instructions, and her opinion matches yours -- yes we paid extra for the preformatted drive but saving the hassle of dealing with losing the CableCARD pairing information is worth the bother associated with using the WinMFS approach. (I thought about returning the drive, but between the restocking fee, and the hassle, and the fact that buying the preformatted drive when I didn't need it was mostly "my fault", we're probably going to just go ahead and do as you suggest, Greg. However, I'm going to do it, first, with a spare 500 GB drive I have sitting around. I wouldn't stick with that drive, in the long-run, because it isn't DVR rated, but I'd feel better doing a dry-run with WinMFS before running it on the preformatted drive.
     
  8. May 2, 2009 #2848 of 10248
    bicker

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    Okay this is bad. On the restore, I get "Error writing media inode 1".

    Now what?

    I read the support messages on the WinMFS forum and it is worse than Greek to me.

    My original plan seems much better, now.
     
  9. May 2, 2009 #2849 of 10248
    greg_burns

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    Glad to hear you tested on the 500GB to start.

    From what I see on WinMFS support that it probably did not make a good backup. Probably because the original drive is having a problem. (Or the 500GB?)

    http://www.mfslive.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5389&sid=8fac56bb86f0ad3de3d82011798f9a8b
     
  10. May 2, 2009 #2850 of 10248
    bicker

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    Okay, but I don't see how to go forward from there. It talks about using MFSCopy, but that requires a system where I can connect three SATA drives (the Windows OS, the original TiVo drive, and the new TiVo drive). I don't have one of those.
     
  11. May 2, 2009 #2851 of 10248
    greg_burns

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    Don't have one of what? (Oh, don't have a system that you can hook up three drives! See below, using a bootable CD you can disconnect your Windows drive)

    I would download the MFSLive Linux Boot CD and give "dd_rescue" a shot.

    This will copy your suspect drive to the 500GB (but still only be 250GB) in size. I would try that and see if you can get the Tivo to boot off the 500GB.

    If that works, then you can then make another backup from the 500GB using WinMFS (onto your Windows drive). Then restore that backup right back onto the 500GB and do MFSAdd to test everything is working. If you get that far, I would feel confident that you could do the same to the new 1TB when it comes.

    Anyways, that is what I would give a shot while waiting for the new drive to arrive. Don't really have anything to lose.
     
  12. May 2, 2009 #2852 of 10248
    phantomsax

    phantomsax I break things

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    You didn't hear it from me, but I would suggest if you only have 2 internal SATA ports, go out to your local electronics retailer and pick up a 3.5" SATA to USB enclosure (most USB 2.0 enclosures these days are SATA and not IDE), install the 2nd Tivo drive in there and connect it to your computer via USB port, do what you need, then remove the drive from case and neatly put it back in the box and return it to the store. Those who live near a Fry's Electronics know what I mean when I say "Fry's Rental Program". This is not a very nice thing to do, but will work in a pinch.

    Otherwise I believe there is a Linux boot image you can burn to CD, disconnect your computer's system drive and connect both Tivo drives to SATA, then boot from the CD-ROM. I have never tried this method however.
     
  13. May 2, 2009 #2853 of 10248
    greg_burns

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    Another method is to dd_rescue* copy using the old bumwine method. That is what I used way back in the day before WinMFS.

    Those instructions have a lot of handholding that came in handy for me at the time. I would replace the "dd" command it uses with with the "dd_rescue". Should have same results as using a MFSLive Linux above, really just a matter of preference. Wouldn't need to do past step #9 since don't really care about expanding to use the full 500GB.

    Just some thoughts of things to try. Depends on your comfort level.

    *I assume dd_rescue is on the Knoppix boot CD that you download using bumwine method
     
  14. May 2, 2009 #2854 of 10248
    bicker

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    Yes, I cannot use MFSCopy because I only have two SATA cables.

    Anyway: My wife* got involved and we worked together to figure out how to do MFSLive. The 500 GB drive seemed to work well, so we went ahead with doing the copy onto the preformatted 1 TB drive and installed it into the TiVo.

    The CableCARD pairings appear to be intact (as was expected).

    However, the Closed Captions on at least the first TTCB recording (Numb3rs, on CBS, from last night), though, appear to be munged. However, I am going to withhold judgment on that score until I get both Primeval (Sci Fi) and Flashpoint (CBS) back over to the TiVo. For some reason, the Numb3rs .tivo file is either 2637M or 2157M (it was brought over twice, by T2SAMI), even though they were full hour-long broadcasts (I checked on the PC), while Flashpoint is 7671M and Primeval is 6496M, both of which seem more appropriate. If the Closed Captions are munged on both of those then (1) my wife is going to be very upset, and (2) I'm going to be very concerned about TTG/TTCB, this being the first time we've actually relied on the TTCB part of it.

    UPDATED: Yup, Primeval's Closed Captions are fine.

    I'm going to be first to defend anyone (who isn't a hardware tech) who comes into this thread saying that upgrading your own drive (other than just by popping in a preformatted drive) sounds really scary. I've already done one backup and two copies, and I still am spooked by the whole thing. :)

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    * Another software developer; and she is much more hardware savvy than I am -- I'm really just a business management expert, who got into software development at the end of my career, while she's been a software person a lot longer.
     
  15. May 2, 2009 #2855 of 10248
    microbubba

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    The patient is back on the shelf and the transplant went just fine. 1TB WD10EVCS is online. 157 hours HD :up::D

    I was fortunate that my recent PC build had many SATA ports, overall took about 1.5 hours from start to finish, including hardware swap.

    Thanks to everyone on the boards for input & guidance. And thanks for WinMFS!
     
  16. May 2, 2009 #2856 of 10248
    chandler1818

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    Just bought a new 500 GB official dvr expander for my S3. I have tried to install several times but tivo does not recognize the expander. anyone else out there experienced something similar or solved the problem somehow or should i just go back to best buy and get another one.
     
  17. May 2, 2009 #2857 of 10248
    greg_burns

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    Does this help?
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7248255#post7248255
     
  18. May 3, 2009 #2858 of 10248
    chandler1818

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    Thanks, Greg. I think I was not following the directions properly yesterday because I got it to work this morning. On to my next problem with the Tivo I need to fix.
     
  19. May 3, 2009 #2859 of 10248
    tannett

    tannett Long time reader....

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    Okay, so few months ago I upgraded my actual S3 to a WD10EVCS and it went so well that I decided to work on the THD this weekend. The catch was that I had married a My DVR Expander to it via plug and play and thereby caused myself a lot of extra research since I really want to maintain my recordings and don't have room on my desktop to store them all. Also, I wanted to take the original 160GB and the 500GB expander and merge them onto a single drive and do away with the expander.

    I read everything I could on MFSLive, realized I'd have to use the old tools as well as the partition consolidation steps and went through all of that yesterday only to realize that these instructions were meant for an actual Series 3 and not a THD.

    So, now I have all my programs consolidated on the 1TB, but I have the phantom "Wrong external storage device" loop error and have no idea how to solve it since what appears to work on an S3 doesn't work for the THD.

    Are there _any_ options out there for consolidating two drives to one on a THD? I'm a programmer by day so can probably handle some pretty complex steps, so if there is any way to accomplish this, I would love to know what I can try.

    Thanks,

    Todd
     
  20. May 3, 2009 #2860 of 10248
    greg_burns

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    Interesting, didn't know that was even possible on an original S3. Got any links to the thread over there?
     

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