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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Apr 29, 2009 #2821 of 10306
    rmackay

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    Quick question. From what I have read, if you add an eSata hard drive and then remove it, all or most of your current recordings can be lost.

    Consider this scenario.

    1. Unmod'd Series 3 has about 30 HD shows recorded, nearly capacity.
    2. An external eSata drive is successfully added.
    3. 3 or 4 new shows recorded.
    4. External eSata drive removed.

    Would I lose the 30 original HD shows that were on the internal drive or would they still be there?
     
  2. Apr 29, 2009 #2822 of 10306
    bkdtv

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    You only lose the recordings made since the drive was added. You do not lose any of your original recordings.

    Be sure to see the FAQ in the first post, if you haven't already.
     
  3. Apr 29, 2009 #2823 of 10306
    rmackay

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    Thanks for the info. The reason that I asked was that after adding the eSata drive, things were working normally for about an hour and then the tivo would reboot itself for no apparent reason. Cables were all secure, etc.

    I am running the kickstart57 routine now to see if that helps. If not, I'll have to abandon the eSata external drive idea for now.

    -- kickstart57 -- Should that actually report any info or just reboot and continue? How do I know if it actually worked or helped?

    Apparently neither ks57 or ks58 made a difference as the tivo continued to intermittently reboot itself until I removed the external drive. I guess I'll have to go with the only "supported" option.
     
  4. Apr 29, 2009 #2824 of 10306
    HDRyder9

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    Perhaps this issue has already been addressed but I can’t find it. So, I’ll ask anyway. I have an early Tivo HD which was upgraded to a 500GB internal hard drive. It’s working perfectly. I’d like to upgrade the internal hard drive again to 1TB this time. Can I back up from the 500GB drive and restore to the 1TB drive with WinMFS? I’d prefer not to loose any recordings and my season passes. I can back up from the original 160GB drive if I have to since I saved it.
     
  5. Apr 29, 2009 #2825 of 10306
    HazelW

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    My system is starting to freeze and reboot. So its probably time to upgrade. I have a TiVo HD original drive and a DVR Expander. If I read the FAQ correctly I should do the following to preserve my settings, season passes, but not my recordings.

    Buy a WD10EVCS or EVVS. Divorce my DVR Expander by disconnecting it and telling the TiVo I no longer want to use it. Use the internal drive to upgrade to the new drive.

    Is there any way to save my recorded programs? I think the FAQ says "no" if using an original drive.

    Is there any chance the corruption on my system (if there is any) will affect the transfer? I also have instant cake so I could use that but I would lose the season passes and perhaps the cable card pairing.

    And will the DVR expander work with the new upgraded drive? (I think the answer is no and I probably won't use it anyway.)

    Thanks in advance for any help.
     
  6. Apr 30, 2009 #2826 of 10306
    phantomsax

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    Just an update (not that anyone really cares) but I decided to use the 1GB drive I originally was going to use as an eSATA drive as the internal drive on my week old Tivo HD. I must admit, it was hard cracking the case and potentially voiding the warranty on something that is less than a week old, but the instructions in this thread were spot on, and major thanks to whoever wrote WinMFS. As simple as the program and UI may be, it did exactly what I needed it to do, it was easy, and it did it right the first time. I can't help reading the info screen and grinning when I see 157 hours of HD.
     
  7. Apr 30, 2009 #2827 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Hey...we all care! ;) Congrats and welcome to the club.

    BTW, if something should go wrong you should be able to slip the OEM HDD back in TiVo and exchange it. Although TiVo can tell by their logs that you've upgraded the drive, IIRC only one member has said that they refused to replace his sighting that as an issue. Of course you would be wise not to mention that you've been busy making things better (at least from your perspective). Bottom line is that the number one fail point in TiVo's is the hard drive so you'll probably be able to keep it running for many, many years to come.

    Enjoy! :up:
     
  8. Apr 30, 2009 #2828 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Sorry to hear things aren't going well. The good news is that it's probably something you can fix by replacing the hard drive. To answer your questions...

    Yes, if you use winMFS and follow the instructions you can use your existing hard drive to image a new drive. It will preserve your SP's, cable cards, etc. but since you have an eSATA drive, none of the recordings made since the expansion drive was attached. One option is to transfer your (non copy-protected) recordings to your computer via TiVo Desktop and then back to the new drive later.

    Odds are that the OS partitions are good and imaging a new drive will be fine. However if a problem continues to exist you can use Instant Cake to image the new drive. You are correct, if you use IC your SP's, etc. would be lost and you would need your cable company to re-pair your cable cards.

    You can continue to use your eSATA drive (providing that it's working okay) by following the steps to marry it to your new drive while using winMFS. It's only a few additional clicks.

    All of that said, do you know which drive is causing the problem(s)? It may be something as simple as a loose or failing eSATA drive cable. If that's not it you might try running a couple of TiVo's diagnostic programs called Kickstarts to see if they can repair (KS57 or KS58) any hard drive issues or at least tell you which drive is problematic (KS54). Once you transfer your recordings or are okay with losing them, you could simply divorce your eSATA drive to see if TiVo operates normally. (Power TiVo down, disconnect the eSATA drive, power TiVo up and follow the screen instructions). If it runs okay, then you'd just need to replace the eSATA drive. If not, then you know the internal drive needs replacing.

    Good luck and let us know how it goes.
     
  9. Apr 30, 2009 #2829 of 10306
    richsadams

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    You should be able to use your 500GB drive to image a new 1TB drive following the steps in the first post. Not sure if you want to save your recordings but that should work as well. If all else fails you could certainly use your original drive to image a new one.

    I replaced the original/upgraded 1TB drive I had in our Series3 with a new 1TB and used the upgraded drive to image the new one and it worked fine. Not exactly the same thing but AFAIK, using your upgraded drive shouldn't be a problem.
     
  10. Apr 30, 2009 #2830 of 10306
    HazelW

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    Rich,

    Thanks for your help and suggestions. I will try the kickstarts. It has only happened twice over 3 days that I know of, so maybe I nick it in the bud.

    Do I need to divorce the drives before upgrading or can I just take out the internal drive as is and use it to upgrade?
     
  11. Apr 30, 2009 #2831 of 10306
    microbubba

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    Same boat. S3 + DVR Expander. We divorced the Expander last weekend to prep for the WD10EVCS transplant. Things happened and I couldn't find the time, so we've been running stock for a week now, with no problems on the HD, pixellation, GSOD, stutter, etc. I haven't tested the Expander drive but wouldn't be surprised if it passed everything, just barely 1+ yr old.

    Looks like a rainy weekend will prevent outdoor activity so the surgery is back on the schedule.:D
     
  12. Apr 30, 2009 #2832 of 10306
    greg_burns

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    Unfortunately, you cannot upgrade your internal with an external still married. Have to divorce it first. :(

     
  13. May 1, 2009 #2833 of 10306
    lrhorer

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    Um, I think you mean TB, not GB. I haven't seen a drive smaller than 30GB in ages.
     
  14. May 1, 2009 #2834 of 10306
    bicker

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    I assume that you mean only in the case where you're making your own, internal drive. If you bought a preformatted internal drive, I assume that you don't need to unmarry your existing drives, and that indeed, you can swap back to the married internal-and-eSATA combo if you need to.
     
  15. May 1, 2009 #2835 of 10306
    greg_burns

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    No I don't think that's right. Say you have the original drive and an external. You then purchase a preformatted larger internal drive from DVRUpgrade, Weeknees, etc. As soon as you boot with the external attached it will not recognize the external at all. If it is an Original S3 it will ask you if you want to use it (thus loosing all recordings on it). If it is a TivoHD you will have to use WinMFS to marry the new preformatted drive to your external (Even if it is the approved WD DVR Expander*). This will also loose all recordings on it.

    *Can someone confirm that?
     
  16. May 1, 2009 #2836 of 10306
    bicker

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    Uh... okay, but that's not what I was saying...

    Drive A = original TiVo internal
    Drive B = TiVo eSATA
    Drive C = replacement TiVo internal from Weaknees, DVR Upgrade, etc.

    So you start with Drive A + Drive B married.

    You don't have to do anything other than shut down, disconnect Drive B, replace Drive A with Drive C, and reboot. (Notice... Drive B is not connected.)

    Then, later, you theoretically can shut down, disconnect Drive C, replace Drive C with Drive A, reconnect Drive B, and reboot.

    Right?
     
  17. May 1, 2009 #2837 of 10306
    greg_burns

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    Yeah, that will be ok.

    So you are going to shelve both your original and your external in favor on just a single large internal. Gotcha! :)
     
  18. May 1, 2009 #2838 of 10306
    bicker

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    It's really just paranoia. I'm worried that Comcast won't re-pair without a truck roll. So if that is the case, I'll have to "roll back" to my old combo.

    I'm upgrading solely because of the flakiness with the eSATA. We lost 2-5 recordings per week -- they're basically "(partial)" and for a good portion if not the entire recording, there is loads of blockiness -- it basically looks like the playback is skipping, but it is identical after rewind, so the problem is during recording. And it has been happening ever since I added the eSATA, goes away when I take the eSATA away, and TiVo knows about the problem (see separate thread) but have only had minor success in getting rid of it.
     
  19. May 1, 2009 #2839 of 10306
    greg_burns

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    Oh wait. I thought you were more asking about keeping your recordings on your eSata drive. When you are really more concerned about loosing your CC pairing. Hmm...

    I am not sure, but I fear if you put in a new drive drive that doesn't have the pairing info, your CC will need a truck roll (obviously). If you then, try and put back in the original drive (that had the pairing info), it may be too late. The cards may have been "reset". In my mind, this is like pulling a CC and sticking it in another device (like a TV), then trying to put it back in your Tivo. The act of putting in another device makes it reset. Right? Or maybe no... :confused:

    I truely don't know and can't say for sure what exactly will happen.

    I know you paid extra to have a preformatted drive. But I would seriously consider using WinMFS anways on the new drive when it arrives. That way no fear about the pairing info being lost.
     
  20. May 1, 2009 #2840 of 10306
    phantomsax

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    So here is a good one for you:

    Since I upgraded the drive on my Tivo HD to a 1TB, I am still getting newly recorded programs coming up with the yellow icon in the Now Playing List, and the "This recording will be kept until at least tomorrow/tonight at xx:xx am/pm" when I go into the info. It does this on all programs unless I setup the Season Passes to "Save Until I Delete".

    Now the kicker is I only have 7 hours of HD content and 1 1/2 hours of SD content recorded right now, so even if I recorded 2 programs in HD constantly for the next 3 days straight, I still wouldn't be quite out of space. So how am I already out space?!?!?! I should have 148+ hours of HD recording space available by my math, and when I go into the system info it is showing me 156 hours of HD recording total. It has been doing this since it had the original drive in it but I just figured it was because the stock drive was so small.

    Is anyone else having this problem? Is the Tivo just stupid when it comes to calculating the free space? Am I really at risk of losing programs if I don't mark them as Save Until I Delete?
     

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