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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Nov 6, 2007 #261 of 10248
    CharlesH

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    I am also a bit confused about terminology.

    There is the orientation shown in the pictures, which is like a book in a bookcase. In this orientation, it is sitting with one edge with vents, which is not completely blocked, since the rubber rim is raised a bit (maybe 2mm).

    Then there is flat-like-a-book-on-a-table orientation, with all three vented edges exposed, along with the lighted logo on the fourth side opposite the side with the connectors.

    I think the question is whether this latter orientation is OK, from a ventilation perspective, even though the illustrations use the former orientation.
     
  2. Nov 6, 2007 #262 of 10248
    Kenji

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    The My DVR Expander Quick Install Guide always shows the unit in the "book on a shelf" orientation. Furthermore, the guide never states that you may orient the unit any other way. Therefore, I'd say that the unit must always stand upright.
     
  3. Nov 6, 2007 #263 of 10248
    AZrob

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    Yes, that's what I was wondering, since having a "top" vent seems more efficient at eliminating heat than having a second "side" vent.
     
  4. Nov 6, 2007 #264 of 10248
    Canoehead

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    I mean standing (as in being upright) on one edge (as in a narrow bit) which covers about 25% of the vents (one of the 2 shorter vent panels). :D
     
  5. Nov 6, 2007 #265 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Wow! You guys are really getting hung up on a mostly non-issue...IMHO. The drive will work whether it's placed upright, on its side, upside down, it really doesn't matter.

    Since this particular drive doesn't have a fan you just need to be aware of ventilation issues. If it's located in a non-vented cabinet, lying on top of a receiver it will get hot and could get hot enough to do some damage to the HDD. If it has some fresh air circulating around it and the ability to vent heat away from the HDD it will be fine.

    Heat is certainly the enemy of electronic equipment, but this model has a DVR rated drive that's designed to do what it's supposed to do without overheating. Place it in a somewhat open spot somewhere near your TiVo, preferably not on it, and you shouldn’t have any worries with regard to spontaneous combustion.

    Try not to over think this too much gentleman; it’s a simple external drive connected to a computer...we’ve been doing this for many, many years. ;)
     
  6. Nov 6, 2007 #266 of 10248
    rudolpht

    rudolpht HD Maven

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    Well, I just wanted to say that I have had an Appian 750gb drive for a long time. I was waiting for the software release to do the plug and play with my S3 internal drive (bought upgraded to 750 gb). I was scared to death to do the remove and boot etc.

    When it became clear that I couldn't use the drive on my TivoHD since it was not an approved drive and I couldn't do plug & play S3 with a MyDVR since I had an upgraded internal without doing the marrying manually, it was time to upgrade using the Appian. (I am going to use the MyDVR on the TivoHD or sell it).

    Well I hooked up the Appian by USB, disconnected power to all my hard drives in my PC, hooked up removed and hooked up the Tivo internal.

    Side Note:Why the internal has that combined data and power connector is beyond me, delayed me needing to get a PC to SATA power connector (of course Radio Shacks don't have electronics anymore :()

    Checked the partitions to see that sda with "cat /prot/partitions" (more partitions listed) since the two drives were identical.

    Did the mfsadd -ex -r 4 /dev/sda/ /dev/sdb with fingers crossed.

    Got the message back that drives were married.

    Reinstalled the Tivo drive. Connected eSata and turned on power to external.

    Replugged the Tivo. After power up messages, it worked and showed the 1898 SD hours, nothing else required.


    THANK YOU. THANK YOU. No lost Star Wars Old & New trilogies. No lost classics.

    THANK YOU!!!
     
  7. Nov 6, 2007 #267 of 10248
    c3

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    I don't think such drive exists.
     
  8. Nov 7, 2007 #268 of 10248
    stulaloyd

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    Wondering if a lot of people are having trouple getting the update. Signed up for service two Fridays ago and have twice signed up for the priority list, talked to customer service and frequently manually connected to the TiVo network but am still stuck on version 9.1. Strange thing is, I got the message saying that new TiVo services had been added (including the hard drive expansion), but no new downloads. Anyone know what's up? My DVR Expander just shipped from TiVo and I would love to be able to set it up when it arrives, but with no firmware update, what's a guy to do?
     
  9. Nov 7, 2007 #269 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Well, as much as any drive is w/AAM, lower error rate reductions, etc. The point is that there's really nothing unusual about the drive and enclosure or how it should sit on a shelf.
     
  10. Nov 7, 2007 #270 of 10248
    rrg

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    Thanks very much. A couple more questions (which I'll ask Spike if they're not appropriate here):

    Is it reasonable/feasible to upgrade the internal drive prior even to turning on the new Series 3 for the first time, activating it, etc.?

    And if so, is it additionally reasonable/feasible to marry an external drive at the same time, i.e. before first powering up the TiVo?

    My thought is just that if I have to open up the case anyway I might as well perform both upgrades at the same time, if it's practical.
     
  11. Nov 7, 2007 #271 of 10248
    opus472

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    Any speculation on when an approved 1T DVR expander might become available?
     
  12. Nov 7, 2007 #272 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    I contacted a spokesperson for Western Digital and they said a 1TB version should be available by this time next year. They would not be any more specific than that.
     
  13. Nov 7, 2007 #273 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Yes, you can do that.

    Yes, you can do that.

    Before upgrading, I would check to see whether the unit is DOA though. Some small percentage of units are bad out of the box (i.e. damaged in shipping). But you can certainly upgrade before you've run through guided setup to activate your account, setup your provider / channels, etc.
     
  14. Nov 7, 2007 #274 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Yep, what bkdtv said, yes and yes. :)

    Just curious, how much capacity are you planning on having? Depending on what you're after the least expensive way is to upgrade the internal drive - up to 1TB. Of course if you need more space, you can add an eSATA drive, but if not, there's no need to have one.
     
  15. Nov 7, 2007 #275 of 10248
    MarcusV

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    Thanks!

    MarcusV
     
  16. Nov 7, 2007 #276 of 10248
    MarcusV

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    read the files from the extended drive, but wasn't sure if that meant via Tivo ToGo or by attaching the HDD straight to the PC.

    Thanks again!
    -MarcusV
     
  17. Nov 7, 2007 #277 of 10248
    moxie1617

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    It can't read the extended drive if it is attached directly to the PC. TTG works great.
     
  18. Nov 7, 2007 #278 of 10248
    jasel

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    After reading the FAQ and a few pages of posts, would this be correct:

    Even though you can get a 500gb WD drive for a savings of $50 from Amazon (WDG1SU5000), the prudent thing to do would be to just spend $200 and get the 'approved' DVR Expander drive (WDG1S5000) from TiVo?

    You're getting as much additional storage that costs less than 1/2 the price of a 750GB DB35 internal drive kit, and you retain all support for your Series 3.

    I'm ordering a 2nd Series 3 from Amazon for $568 ($368 w/rebate) which is also less than 1/2 the price I paid for my first unit a year ago. With Tivo2Go and MultiRoomViewing now, does life get much better?

    Thanks,

    Jas.
     
  19. Nov 7, 2007 #279 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    If you're going to buy a retail eSATA drive (rather than building your own), the "Tivo Verified" Western Digital My DVR Expander is the only product I would consider.

    Another alternative to consider is an upgrade of the internal drive with a 1Tb model like the Western Digital WD10EACS, but then you give up Tivo support. A number of members were able to buy that drive for $260 on sale. We're about two weeks away from Black Friday and the holiday shipping season, so it is possible we will see another sale on that drive in the near future.
     
  20. Nov 7, 2007 #280 of 10248
    jasel

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    Thanks for the quick response. Considering the price of the expander, and that I will now have 2 Series 3 boxes with which to transfer programs between, I went ahead and ordered the expander from TiVo. I have an extended warranty on my current box, so cracking it open will void it.

    And with a total of >120 hours of HD, I have more space than I ever would have dreamed possible last year.

    Now if I could only get my cable company to realize that cable cards are a valid alternative to digital cable boxes, and not charge $3 a month for each, I'd be in business.

    Thanks again,

    Jas.
     

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