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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Apr 11, 2009 #2721 of 10248
    bareyb

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    The Hitachi has double the cache size and that certainly couldn't hurt, but it sounds like they both work very well and I'd guess you couldn't go wrong with either one.
     
  2. Apr 11, 2009 #2722 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Note larger cache does not matter in a DVR. Cache helps with sequential I/O. The TiVo does random I/O most of the time, for which the extra cache does next to nothing.
     
  3. Apr 12, 2009 #2723 of 10248
    mchief

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    Thanks guys, I order the WD10EVCS from Amazon at $106.
     
  4. Apr 12, 2009 #2724 of 10248
    Burger23

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    I’ve searched this Forum and cannot figure out where to start.

    Issue: endless reboots on Tivo HD. Tried Kickstart 57 and 58. Does not work- never get past black screen.

    I bought my TiVo the day it came out- maybe 2 years ago. At that time the eSata external port was not activated- the only way to increase storage was some kind of hack. I believe that I used MFS hack to replace the original drive (80Gb) with a 750 Gb drive. If I recall, the hack partitioned the drive- one partition for the system- the other with the data.

    Then, later, after the eSata port was activited by TiVo, I added an eSata drive- I think I used Step 10 to setup my 500Gb External eSata drive.

    What I hope to do was to replace the bad system on th einternal drive with a new system- doing the same hack over again. (1.Download the MFSLive Linux Boot CD image and burn it as a CD. Boot your PC from the CD.) And hopefully the other data partition will be intact and I will not lose my saved shows.

    Will this affect any shows that may be stored on this drive?
     
  5. Apr 12, 2009 #2725 of 10248
    Burger23

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    Issue: endless reboots on Tivo HD. Tried Kickstart 57 and 58. Does not work- never get past black screen.

    I bought my TiVo the day it came out- maybe 2 years ago. At that time the eSata external port was not activated- the only way to increase storage was MFS hack. I replaced the original drive (80Gb) with a 750 Gb drive. If I recall, the hack partitioned the drive- one partition for the system- the other with the data.

    Now I hope to replace the bad system with a new system- doing the same hack over again. And hopefully the other data partition will be intact and I will not lose my saved shows. Also, once TiVo activate the eSata port, I believe that I used this hack also to add my 500Gb external ESata drive.

    Anyway, would like to try to restore hacked internal hard drive system partition- I am pretty sure it is what I used (step 11). I wonder if restoring the image:

    1.Download the MFSLive Linux Boot CD image and burn it as a CD. Boot your PC from the CD.

    Will this affect any shows that may be stored on this drive?
     
  6. Apr 12, 2009 #2726 of 10248
    greg_burns

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    So you have a TivoHD that you upgraded the internal drive to 750GB (from the standard 160GB) and added an external drive? Now you want to replace the internal drive with something... a 1TB?

    It is my understanding you cannot change the internal drive without first divorcing your external drive. (Which means loosing most, if not all recordings).

    You could probably safely "dd" (a linux copy command) your 750GB to another same size or larger internal drive, but without gaining any space and not having to divorce the external. But not 100% positive. (I am thinking you might wanna try this if you suspect the internal drive is going bad.)

    If it were me, I would offload yours shows via TivoDesktop to a computer. Then divorce the external and see if the reboots stop before trying anything else. Or pull the internal drive and test it with a PC for errors using Hitachi or Wester Digital diagnostic software. Not sure you can use that software with the approved external Tivo drive or not without removing it from its enclosure.
     
  7. Apr 12, 2009 #2727 of 10248
    xpattheratx

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    Hi everyone! Sorry for my newbie-ness here. I bought a Fantom G-Force 500 GB external hard drive (GF500EU) and I took apart my Tivo .. did the whole marry MFS add thing put the tivo back together and now it gives me a green screen saying the DVR cannot recognize the drive. I waited 3+ hours but the TIVO just keeps rebooting itself. I took it apart again and tried to marry both drives again but it says the western digital internal drive of the TIVO is not a recognized tivo drive. I know I voided the warranty.. and i just wanna know what i did wrong and if it can be fixed?? Any help is much appreciated. The wifey is mad now that I broke the TIVO. Please help!! Thanks!! :confused:
     
  8. Apr 13, 2009 #2728 of 10248
    Burger23

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    Thanks for the reply- really appreicate it. I will try TiVo Desktop tomorrow- I am not sure it can see the hard drive(s) since I never get anything but a black screen. When I trioed Kickstart 57 and 58, the red, green, amber lights did appear on casr front- then they immediately disppeared whe 57 entered. I take this as an indication that somethin on the hard drive is working. But whatever checkdisk function is going on never completes, and the cycle starts over (green light flickers every 5 minutes or so). SO maybe Desktop TiVo can read the disk. Tomorrow...
     
  9. Apr 13, 2009 #2729 of 10248
    ThAbtO

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    You cannot used Tivo Desktop on the Tivo unless its working and online on your network.
     
  10. Apr 13, 2009 #2730 of 10248
    matt@thehickmans

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  11. Apr 13, 2009 #2731 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum and sorry to hear about your frustrating experience. I guess my first question/observation would be, why didn't you just get the approved WD My DVR Expander? I'm assuming it's because of the price, ($69.99 Vs $99.99). For $30 I guess I would have gone with the approved drive plugged it in and saved a lot of time and trouble...but that's just me. ;) That wasn't too helpful though was it?

    If you try booting up TiVo without the external drive connected and get the "unrecognized" error message it sounds like the OS data on the internal drive was corrupted. If that only happens when the external drive is connected, there's an issue with the external drive.

    If it's the first case (won't boot up with or without the external drive connected) your best bet is to buy Instant Cake ($19.99) and re-image the internal hard drive.

    If the external drive is the problem you should return it as defective and just get the approved WD My DVR Expander.

    It's obvious that you're comfortable opening TiVo and connecting drives to a PC so if it were me I'd simply replace the internal hard drive in your TiVo and be done with it. The recommended 1TB Western Digital WD10EVCS can be found for about about $110 or less. If you follow the instructions in the first post of this thread you can use your original hard drive to image the new one and be back in business in no time. If your original internal hard drive is actually corrupted you'll still need to buy Instant Cake for a fresh image. Either way you'll have 1TB of recording space, one less fail point and basically a brand new TiVo.

    Best of luck and let us know how things go.
     
  12. Apr 13, 2009 #2732 of 10248
    richsadams

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    A successful KS57 will generate an mfs assert screen (also known as the GSOD). If you're not seeing that after KS57 it's likely that your hard drive is failing.

    BTW, KS58 is transparent. Repairs are made and the unit will reboot. If/when it reboots things should be normal again. If not, the repairs were either beyond TiVo's capabilities or the hard drive is failing.

    Did you try the Kickstart 54 hard drive diagnostic? It may or may not work. Again if not, it's probably time to replace the hard drive.

    As ThAbtO mentions, if you can't get TiVo working properly, TiVo Desktop won't be able to transfer recordings to your PC.

    Best of luck!
     
  13. Apr 13, 2009 #2733 of 10248
    Yuterald

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    Amazon is taking pre-orders for the 1TB WD eSATA Drive @$183.
     
  14. Apr 13, 2009 #2734 of 10248
    myklup

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    TiVo support has not confirmed their support of them - but the TiVo certified sticker is on the box and the drive itself. WD Knows they exist and support them.

    There's a thread in the Series 3 forum with more info - but they do in fact work (at least on both of my Tivo HD's) as of a non-software-version upgrade made in the last week or so

    I got mine from jr.com for $179.99 /free shipping
     
  15. Apr 13, 2009 #2735 of 10248
    CaseyK24

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    I first wanted to thank the board and bkdtv for the great step by step procedures that worked like a charm.

    I have two quick questions - just for peace of mind really - everything worked great.

    I installed a WD10EVCS with SuperSize on. The recording and playback quality should be no different then before correct? I'm just being super critical analyzing the picture after the install probably seeing small broadcast quality issues that were always there but never bothered to notice.

    Also - while playing with the TivoHD with the new drive the first night I experienced a random soft reboot. It only happened once and I was recording two shows and transferring one while flipping back and forth between Playing List grouping settings. There is no know issue with soft reboots with the TivoHD and the WD10EVCS is there? One time does not make a pattern and I'm not too worried but couldn't find anything on the forum besides talk of an old S3 soft reboot issue with some other drives.

    Thanks,
    Casey
     
  16. Apr 13, 2009 #2736 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Hi Casey and welcome to the 1TB Club! MFS Supersize simply frees up extra space reserved for storing tivoclips; the advertising videos that are downloaded. Having it on or off should have not have any effect on anything.

    Not AFAIK. There are no posts to that effect to date. You should be fine.

    Enjoy! :up:
     
  17. Apr 13, 2009 #2737 of 10248
    richsadams

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    On sale (as of this posting) Western Digital WD10EADS for $93.80 including shipping.

    As noted in the first post of this sticky, this drive will NOT work as an internal hard drive upgrade in Series3's due to a soft reboot problem. Use the recommended WD10EVCS instead.

    This drive is good for TiVo HD's though or it could also be used to build an eSATA drive for Series3's. Consult the first post for more info.
     
  18. Apr 13, 2009 #2738 of 10248
    Burger23

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    1. Switched TV's and now I can see screen
    2. I get the Welcome screen, the Almost Done screen, and then the blue screen reporting External hard drive failure. Tried the repair, but it just recycles with same 3 screens. Tried to remove the external hard drive (clear, 3 down-thumbs, enter)- but apparent unmarrying did not work because after a brief pause when the program attempted to unmarry, the same 3 screens appeared again- the program was not successful in unmarrying.
    3. I decided to start from scratch and just follow Step 11. But then I noticed there there were some other options in MFS. There is amost Fix BootPage- option 1 or 2.
    4. Would any of these, or other options under Tools, help me save shows- or should I just bite the bullet??
     
  19. Apr 13, 2009 #2739 of 10248
    bobrt6676

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    Huber...
    Thought I would pass along a + outcome. Purchased a WD10EVCS 1TB drive from Amazon (108) and a USB -SATA adapter(19). DL'd WinMFS (Thanks so much for such an easy to use program) Opened the TivoHD and 30 mins. later I was back in business with 157 Hrs. of HD space. :D SWEET :up:
    For those sitting on the fence between spending $249 for a pre-programmed drive or doing it yourself. Just the follow the great directions on this forum and you can save yourself over $100. :D
     
  20. Apr 13, 2009 #2740 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    I updated the first post to reflect that the 1TB My DVR Expander is now officially supported.

     

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