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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Mar 4, 2009 #2581 of 10248
    Yuterald

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    Where did you buy yours from? I ask since some suppliers might have 'older' versions.
    ps - it's true i've found it for $80AR but once they tack on tax I'm at $100 :(
     
  2. Mar 4, 2009 #2582 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Good point and good question, I didn't think to ask. :eek:

    We don't have any state sales tax here. :up: Makes it nice to see the price of something and know that's what you'll pay. But then you have to deal with the property taxes, state income taxes and all of that. :thumbsdown: Comes out in the wash I suppose.
     
  3. Mar 4, 2009 #2583 of 10248
    mr.unnatural

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    Ellicott...
    That is correct. I added the external drive using MFSLive and the Tivo booted up without a hitch. I checked the system information screen and saw the updated capacity. When I scrolled down to see the attached storage it showed up as the W10EVCS.

    I bought mine from www.macmall.com. I saw it listed on dealnews.com earlier this week. They always have drives listed in the storage section. If you check the listing for whatever external drive they're showcasing in the list you'll see a link to access a list of additional drives of the same type that are also on sale or have MIRs.

    Here's the link to the macmall deal (it's still valid). I ended up paying around $133 with shipping, which will get knocked down to about $93 after the two $20 MIRs.
     
  4. Mar 4, 2009 #2584 of 10248
    mstenzel

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    Hold up. Does this mean that the Fantom can be used as an external for a TivoHD without having to open the box? I'm reading your assessment as saying that the Fantom will work just like the WD My DVR Expander (first post, TivoHD, Option #1) because of the W10EVCS under the hood. Or are you just saying that the Fantom w/W10ECVS will work nicely as an unsupported external drive for the TivoHD (first post, TivoHD, Option #3)?

    Thanks.
     
  5. Mar 4, 2009 #2585 of 10248
    bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

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    He's referring to TivoHD option #3 -- "add an unsupported 1.0 TB external drive" which "requires you to open the box and void the TiVo warranty."

    He already upgraded the internal drive in his TiVo, so regardless of the external drive he uses, it has to be paired using a computer.
     
  6. Mar 4, 2009 #2586 of 10248
    mstenzel

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  7. Mar 5, 2009 #2587 of 10248
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    Do you remember if the bare drive had a circle in the middle of the label?
     
  8. Mar 5, 2009 #2588 of 10248
    mr.unnatural

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    Ellicott...
    It wasn't a bare drive. The Fantom drive (i.e., WD10EVCS) comes in a powered external enclosure and it has a tamper-proof seal on it. I'm not about to open it up and void the warranty to see if it has a circle on the drive label.

    The real advantage to using the Fantom drive over others on the recommended list is because it already comes with the enclosure. If you were to buy an external enclosure from the recommended enclosure list it would add about $40-50 to the cost of the drive. The Fantom drive, with enclosure, is selling at or below the cost of other bare drives.

    The Fantom drive can be considered a mixed bag because it's a passively cooled enclosure (i.e., it has no internal fan). Some may consider this a detriment. I will only say that the enclosure feels luke warm to the touch and does not get excessively warm or even hot. This is no doubt due in part to the fact that it uses the WD "green" drive that is supposed to run cooler and use less power to operate.

    I don't know if the Fantom will work as a plug and play drive like the WD DVR Expander, but I rather doubt it based on what's listed in the FAQ. I had already upgraded the internal drives of both my S3's before I added the Fantom drive so I had to marry them together in a PC before they'd work.
     
  9. Mar 5, 2009 #2589 of 10248
    crazzeto

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    Hey guys, this probably gets asked alot so appologies... Read over the OP and I got some good solid info from it, but I have some questions here...

    I bought a Cavalry CAXB3701T0 1TB (Box said CAXE/CAXM though) external eSATA drive from newegg recently. I went ahead and tried to get it going with my Tivo HD, but was prompted with a message stating that this drive was not comaptible with Tivo and could not be used with expansion. I guess I'm encouraged by the OP in so far as it sounds like at the very least there might be away to make it work, but I guess it means opening the Tivo?

    So I'm wondering, if I decided to go ahead and void my warrentee about a month after buying my Tivo, what all is involved? Anyone have a link to a website detailing what's going on? I do have quite a bit of experience with putting together computers, and even did a hack job on my old Directv series II 40gb, doubling drive space to 80gb, so i feel like I should be able to pull this off. But at the same time, I guess now that I'm a little older (wiser?) I'm just not terribly excited about the idea of voiding my warentee on a 1 month old $299 peice of hardware.

    So with that note, what alternatives might I have? Will the Tivo only play nice with the my expander? Are there any 1TB options that a tivo will play nice with? Thanks guys.
     
  10. Mar 5, 2009 #2590 of 10248
    fljoe

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    Just wanted to update .. I finally got my replacement from Newegg and this time adding the external My DVR Expander went without a hitch. I did use the SIIG cable instead of the eSata cable that came with the drive.

    I will keep this soultion for some time until I run out of disk space and then will try to upgrade the internal drive.
     
  11. Mar 5, 2009 #2591 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Did you see the first post in this thread? It contains answers to almost every possible question, refined over the previous 1.5 years. :)

    The first post tells you what drives you can use without voiding the warranty, as well as recommend internal and external drives to use if you are willing to void the warranty. It has detailed instructions for these upgrades.
     
  12. Mar 5, 2009 #2592 of 10248
    crazzeto

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    Well... If there was anything that makes a boy feel like he shouldn't have been so lazy about RMAing his dead motherboard....
     
  13. Mar 5, 2009 #2593 of 10248
    Dssturbo1

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    bkdtv did an excellent job with all the upgrade info the first post of this thread, it's detailed and suggested as a must read if you want to upgrade your Tivo Series 3/HD/HD XL.

    but to quick help ya through here's a simplistic listed way to add your new esata drive to your Tivo HD. it's from the quick step guide on the mfslive.org site

    WinMFS - Add an eSATA drive or 2nd Drive
    1. Download WinMFS
    2. Unzip the File
    3. Setup your computer
    4. Double Click on the program to launch it.
    (If using Vista, right click then run it as an"Administrator.")
    5. Select Source Drive
    Select internal drive as "A drive" and select eSATA drive as "B drive"
    6. Tools->Mfsadd
    7. Tools->Mfsinfo to verify.
    8. All Done!
     
  14. Mar 5, 2009 #2594 of 10248
    richsadams

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    The Fantom "Green" 1TB eSATA drive will work fine via plug and play on an unmodified (no hard drive up grade) Series3 ONLY...not w/TiVo HD's or HDXL's. It would need to be married to the internal drive (see first post) under any other circumstance.

    Thanks again for the info! :up:
     
  15. Mar 5, 2009 #2595 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Congrats and enjoy!
     
  16. Mar 6, 2009 #2596 of 10248
    xanthas12

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    Has anyone had any luck with the Fantom G-Gorce external? I tried it with my Series 3 software ver. 11 and there's no detection on start up and from the Tivo menu it tells me the drive is not supported. Could this be a cable issue?
     
  17. Mar 6, 2009 #2597 of 10248
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    Aha, OK, understood. I was thinking that you had removed the bare drive to do the marrying. But of course you can use the USB or ESATA interface. I wasn't thinking...
     
  18. Mar 6, 2009 #2598 of 10248
    Dssturbo1

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    Success with the internal drive using the Seagate 1.5Tb drive.

    I posted the MFSinfo for my upgraded 1.5Tb drive i was having issues with on the MFSlive forums and Spike said it was not expanded. I just needed to reconnect and Select Drive then do the Tools > MFSadd. a popup will ask if you want to limit it to 1Tib and Spike said to select yes. That should expand it and give a total of 1.35Tb usable space with a 1.5Tb drive

    It worked, i reinstalled the 1.5Tb back in my S3 and it rebooted just fine. Checked the System info and Yeah,......it shows 213 HD hours and 1860 SD hours using the one internal Seagate 1.5Tb drive. it had the 36 hours of recorded shows that were transferred when it did the MFSCopy and now it did let me transfer 15+ more HD programs and everything is working great so far.

    Here is what i think is the problem.........

    Spike please check to see if there is a glitch in the WinMFS 9.3f beta. i used the quick start guide on MSFlive.org for WinMFS.

    And the first page on this post. Section V. #16 B. section neither the WinMFS Quick Start guide or page 1 of this post, Section V. #16 B mentions using Winadd. (I had seen WinAdd noted in other guides but mistakenly I had thought that was just for adding/marrying an eSata drive to an internal drive of a S3/HD/HDXL)

    After the MFSCopy it does have a popup that ask if you want to use the expanded space on your new drive and to select Yes.

    I think that Spike meant that to be the same as MFSadd But I believe it is actually doing the MFSsupersize command.

    When I then did the MFSuspersize after using MFSCopy and choosing the Yes on the popup asking me if i wanted to use the expanded space it gave me a popup that said Supersize was already on. seemed odd but i just thought that was included when i selected yes to expanded and supersized was included as part of that Yes selected command.

    Just my thoughts. hope Spike can check it out and this helps anyone trying to use WinMFS and the Seagate 1.5Tb as internal drive.

    Bkdtv, you could note the upgrade guide also until Spike can confirm.

    Got it at BB on sale $135. There are reports of problems with early firmwares on these drives so be careful. This one has 09303 as the date code which is a build date of Jjan 25, 2209 with firmware CC1H whcih has reported to be ok.

    It's the Seagate 1.5Tb 7200 rpm, 32 Mb cache, Model:ST315005N1A1AS - RK = retail kit box so you get the 5 year Seagate warranty and it comes with a sata data cable, 4 pin molex to sata power cable and install cd for pc/mac.
     
  19. Mar 6, 2009 #2599 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    If you have the Series3 (with orange OLED display on front), it should say the drive is unsupported, but still allow you to ignore the warning and enable the drive.
     
  20. Mar 7, 2009 #2600 of 10248
    samjemb

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    I recently attempted to upgrade my Series 3 TCD648250B by replacing the internal 250 Gbyte drive with a new 1T drive (WD10EVCS).

    This would have been a snap if I didn't already have a 750GByte external drive attached to the series 3 TiVo (I successfully upgraded my HDTiVo to a 1T internal drive about 6 months ago, but I didn't have an external drive attached to that unit.)

    My first thought was to combine the 250 GByte internal and the 750 gbyte external into a single internal drive. WinMFS doesn't support this task, and try as I might, I could not get MFSLive to accomplish this task either.

    So I opted for my second choice which was to replace the internal 250 Gbyte drive with a 1T drive (and still keep the external 750GByte drive.) WinMFS wouldn't work (I kept getting error #1), and MFSLive wouldn't perform this task either (and I know I got the command line correct.)

    So it seems at this point, that if I want to keep my recordings, I must stick with the configuration I have now. I thought of adding the 1T drive as an external drive to my HDTiVo (which would then have a total of 2 Terabytes of storage) and then copying over most of my recordings across my network. Once I had done this, I could remove the external drive from my series 3 TiVo and then, hopefully, upgrade it's internal drive. Unfortunately, this would be a long and tedious process, and would still result in my having an external drive (only now it would be on my HDTiVo instead of my series 3)

    Does anyone have any thoughts on whether I have any other options here? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    David
     

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