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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Nov 4, 2007 #241 of 10248
    Thom

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    HDTiVo -

    Here is what I would try, if you haven't already:

    First, just try to get the TiVo to boot from a small Quattro setup to check for compatibility with the Quattro:

    ...configure your Quattro for spanning mode, and for RAID 1.
    ...using Linux "dd" utility, clone your original, unmodified TiVo A drive software to the Quattro. This will ensure that the TiVo software installed on your Quattro is completely identical to the software on your working A drive, even down to the partition map entries. If you don't know how to use the Linux dd utility, I'd be nervous about remotely talking you through it as you could easily obliterate your working A drive.
    ...try and boot your TiVo from the Quattro.
    ...if it boots, your Quattro hardware (as configured) is compatible with the TiVo.
    ...if it doesn't boot, your Quattro hardware (as configured) is not compatible with the TiVo.
    ...whether or not it boots, try the same thing again, but configuring your Quattro for RAID 0, 5, and JBOD, to test compatibility. Always have the Quattro configured for spanning mode. Changing the Quattro configuration obliterates the software, you will have to copy ( dd ) it again.

    Second, if your TiVo can boot from the Quattro using unmodified software and partitioning, use WinMFS (or MFSTool on MFSLive cd) to copy (but NOT expand) your TiVo A drive to the Quattro. See if it boots now. This will test if the TiVo software ( and firmware ) is compatible with the enlarged partition map that the MFS utility will create on the Quattro. If it fails to boot now, but booted using different Quattro configurations earlier, repeat this step with the different Quattro configurations that worked earlier.

    Third, if your TiVo was able to boot when the software was copied using an MFS utility, use that MFS utility to expand your TiVo software to fill the Quattro and see it is still able to boot.

    If you can't get the Quattro to work, you might want to try an Areca ARC5010 or ARC5030 internal RAID subsystem.

    The ARC5010 uses either a PATA or a SATA-1 connection to the host (the TiVo), and accepts up to 5 PATA hard drives in a RAID 0, 1, 10, 3, 5 or JBOD configuration.

    The ARC5030 uses either a PATA or a SATA-1 connection to the host (the TiVo), and accepts up to 5 SATA-2 hard drives in a RAID 0, 1, 10, 3, 5, 6 or JBOD configuration.

    - Thom

     
  2. Nov 4, 2007 #242 of 10248
    Canoehead

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    I'd just like to suggest that the WinMFS instructions in Section III 10 .3 of the original post be edited to so that it refers only to mfsadd - having the three options may be technically correct, but honestly it is a little confusing to the lightweights like me. I just married a 2nd 750gig using this process and it worked great - 218 hours total!
     
  3. Nov 4, 2007 #243 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Done.
     
  4. Nov 4, 2007 #244 of 10248
    TheOski

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    I just spent tons of time to read through this thread :)
    So what your setup? Series 3 with two external or internal? And which hd brand?
     
  5. Nov 4, 2007 #245 of 10248
    Canoehead

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    The internal is a 750gig Seagate that I put in right after the Tivo S3 launched last year (not a DB35 - it is a little loud, but not too bad). I just added the Western Digital 750gig ES16 in an external Antec MX-1 enclosure (of course the WD cost about half as much as the Seagate from last year). Before adding the new drive I applied the Hitachi Accoustic tools, set to max quiet. I then used WinMFS to marry the drives. I used my work laptop (an old Thinkpad) to do the operation - I connected both drives via USB - the Antec via its USB cable, the Tivo drive via one of those Sata-USB adaptors without even removing the drive from the Tivo case - I just took the cover off, disconnected the cable to the drive and then connected the power and sata connections.

    Couple of notes - it is worth being slow and deliberate in working with Tivo drives - hook up one at a time to the PC and make sure you know which is which. I also made a truncated backup of the internal before I hooked up the second drive.

    I really must give all props to Spike - the process really is literally easier than it appears.
     
  6. Nov 5, 2007 #246 of 10248
    TheOski

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    Thanks for the info. I need to back up all the shows before I add another hd. Sounds my simpler than expanding a Directtv Tivo receiver which I did few years ago.
     
  7. Nov 5, 2007 #247 of 10248
    TheOski

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    BTW, which Sata-USB adaptor are u using?
     
  8. Nov 5, 2007 #248 of 10248
    rrg

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    Speaking of this: can you (or someone) provide a link to a best-practices way of upgrading the internal drive on a Series 3?

    A Google search uncovers several sets of instructions that differ in small particulars, and I'd feel safer using something recommended here.
     
  9. Nov 5, 2007 #249 of 10248
    Canoehead

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    I bought a Sabrent from Amazon. Monoprice.com also has one that looks like it would work fine. I liked doing it this way because I could move the laptop to the tivo, and not have to remove the drive or unhook all the various cables from the Tivo. I actually have a bit of a ghetto solution on my desktop for this kind of thing - since the back of the tower is tough to get to, I have a couplr of spare internal SATA cables (I have 8 ports on my MBoard and don't use them all) and a couple of power cables dangling out the front of the tower - I just ran them between a couple of removable drive bay covers. They can be tucked back inside for appearance sake if necessary.
     
  10. Nov 5, 2007 #250 of 10248
    Canoehead

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    I could be wrong, but I think that to back up shows you need to do a dd copy of the whole drive - and I don't think that WinMFS supports this. You may need the knoppix MFS tools setup. That's how I did it when I upgraded next year - easy for a Linux pro, a little nerve-racking for a rank amateur like myself, but I had teach support (my younger brother) on the line.
     
  11. Nov 5, 2007 #251 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Here you go...

    http://www.mfslive.org/

    Although it looks a little complicated at first it's really not. WinMFS is a sweet little program you load on your P.C., then remove your existing TiVo HDD, hook it up to your PC along with your new drive and do a little magic with the easy to follow steps posted on the website. The site is owned/operated by Spike2k5, one of the frequent posters here. He’s been doing this stuff since the dark ages. ;) He has his own forum as well if you have any questions.

    Once you're done you pop the new drive in and ta-dah, more space! I make a practice of saving the old drive as a backup.

    Have fun and enjoy! :up:
     
  12. Nov 5, 2007 #252 of 10248
    gandalf_the_gray

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    I have an upgraded Series3 TiVo and the original drive sitting in a box. I'm thinking of putting the original drive in an eSata enclosure and then follow the instructions in III.10. Anyone else tried this?

    Will I lose any of the shows on the internal drive? Sounds like I'll lose the recordings on the original (now external) drive which is OK since I gave up on them when I replaced the drive.

    I have a couple of PCs running XP ... an old desktop with USB1 rather than USB2 ports and no SATA. Will this work with USB1 connections? and a relatively new laptop with USB2 ports and no Sata. It looks like the referenced SATA/USB connector provides power as well as connectivity. True?

    Recommendations?

    Once "married", if I decide to get a larger drive for the external enclosure, will I need to do anything to "divorce" the drives? or do anything special to marry the new one (other than following the same procedure outlined III.10.)?
     
  13. Nov 5, 2007 #253 of 10248
    Canoehead

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    Why not use the new laptop - it has the better connections and you can move it to the tivo? The Sabrent Sata-USB adaptor I used includes a power supply.

    Why not buy a bigger drive and keep the old internal in a drawer? You can get a 500gig for abou $100 - or about $130 if you want a DB35 (if you use a normal WD, look on this thread for the Hitachi accoustic tools).

    There is a divorce procedure in WinMFS
     
  14. Nov 6, 2007 #254 of 10248
    AZrob

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    Two MY DVR Expander questions:

    1. Can it be placed on its side or does it have to sit upright?

    2. If the answer to #1 is that it must sit upright, can anyone tell me exactly how wide the box is? I don't know if I'll have room for it sitting between my Tivo and my HT Receiver on my media shelf.

    Thanks,

    Rob from AZ
     
  15. Nov 6, 2007 #255 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    I suppose you could sit it on the side, but I wouldn't recommend that. It has vents on the sides and rear. If you set the drive on its side, it loses perhaps 40% of its ventilation.

    The dimensions are 6.8"W by 5.5"D by 2.25"H.
     
  16. Nov 6, 2007 #256 of 10248
    AZrob

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    Thanks for the quick reply, but now I'm a bit confused. By your description of where you see the vents and your dimensions, it would seem that you are in fact placing the drive on its side. The photos all show a box that is sitting upright, with slots on the rear and the top. The smallest dimension of the box in the photo would be what I call the Width, and that could conceivably be 2.25"...but not the Height. Are we talking about the same drive?

    Rob
     
  17. Nov 6, 2007 #257 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Yes.

    Tivo does show the drive upright in this photo, as does Western Digital in this photo. I guess it doesn't matter whether you block one of the three vents on the unit by standing it up like that.

    As shown in that photo, the dimensions are 6.8"H by 2.25"H by 5.5"D. If you sit it flat so the WD logo is on top (and no vents are blocked), then the dimensions are 2.25"H by 6.8"W by 5.5"D.
     
  18. Nov 6, 2007 #258 of 10248
    AZrob

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    Okay, thanks for the link. I couldn't find this drive on the WD website. Now I know that WD offers an extended warranty purchasable from the website, which is an option I may consider...

    Rob
     
  19. Nov 6, 2007 #259 of 10248
    Canoehead

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    I have a couple of the normal (ie not DVR) WD mybooks - they work just fine stood on one "edge" - there are enven little feet on one of the edges - at most you lose 25% vent space.
     
  20. Nov 6, 2007 #260 of 10248
    AZrob

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    You mean, you are stacking it lying on its side, instead of straight up and down like a book in a bookshelf?
     

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