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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Feb 26, 2009 #2561 of 10248
    Yuterald

    Yuterald New Member

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    What confuses me is I had to un-marry the External in order to do the upgrade. Once I unplugged and rebooted my tivo it asked me to permanently remove the external drive and i said 'yes' in order to use that drive to image the new one. I was surprised it didn't treat my Expander as a 'new' external drive since I had unmarried it.
     
  2. Feb 27, 2009 #2562 of 10248
    wtherrell

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    I searched the hard drive thread and did not find this. I will also look in the DVD unit forum..
     
  3. Feb 27, 2009 #2563 of 10248
    mr.unnatural

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    Ellicott...
    No. The external drive expansion is only for series 3 Tivo models. You need to refer to instructions posted elsewhere to upgrade any other type of Tivo.
     
  4. Feb 28, 2009 #2564 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Has anyone upgraded a TiVo Series3 with an unsupported external drive...under the 11.0b software?
     
  5. Feb 28, 2009 #2565 of 10248
    mr.unnatural

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    Ellicott...
    I just tried another attempt at an external drive upgrade today on my unhacked S3 using the same Fantom drive I tried with my hacked S3. This time it worked like a charm and now I have up to 215 HD hours or 1878 SD hours of recording capacity (500GB internal and 1TB external). I'm guessing I entered the wrong parameters with the mfsadd command when I tried it the first time. The Tivo booted right up and never gave me any kind of message telling me to either divorce or add the external drive. I've got another Fantom 1TB external drive on the way so I can upgrade my hacked S3 (750GB internal).

    FYI - both of my S3's have the 11.0b update.
     
  6. Feb 28, 2009 #2566 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Can you clarify?

    Were you able to add the Fathom to an unhacked TiVo Series3 (not TivoHD) running the 11.0b software using the the "plug and play" expansion? Or did you add the drive before 11.0b was installed?
     
  7. Mar 1, 2009 #2567 of 10248
    mr.unnatural

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    Ellicott...
    11.0b was already installed before I added the external drive. Since I had already upgraded the internal drive I had to pull it and marry the two drives while connected to my main PC using the MFSLive boot disc. After I reinstalled the internal drive and attached the external drive, the Tivo booted up as though both drives had been there all along. I didn't get any sort of prompt screens that the external drive had been detected and if I wanted to add it to the Tivo. The total updated capacity showed up in the system information screen as did the new external drive (a Western Digital WD10EACS).
     
  8. Mar 2, 2009 #2568 of 10248
    mstenzel

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    What makes the WD My DVR Expander option "verified?"

    I have a Tivo HD unit that I'd like to add capacity to. I have access to a "Tivo Verified" WD My DVR Expander enclosure, but I would have to add my own SATA drive and eSATA cable. I was thinking this would be a good way to add 1TB without having to open the box.

    Is it as simple at that or is the WD hard drive formatted a certain way that makes it work with Tivo? Obviously, I won't bother with piecing it together if it won't work.

    Thanks.
     
  9. Mar 2, 2009 #2569 of 10248
    moxie1617

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    The Tivo is reading the model of the drive from the drives firmware. Puting a different drive in the case won't work.
     
  10. Mar 2, 2009 #2570 of 10248
    mstenzel

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    Gotcha, moxie1617. That's the info I needed. So there's no benefit to piecing an ext. drive together unless the bare drive was already a WD My DVR 500GB.

    Thanks.
     
  11. Mar 2, 2009 #2571 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I know it's a bit tedious to read it all but a visit to the first post on this sticky thread is in order. It has everything you need to know about upgrading your TiVo including eSATA and internal options, recommended hard drives, etc.

    There's no benefit to using a WD My DVR Expander other than it is the only plug and play option for the TiVo HD and HDXL. In your case the enclosure is not of any use when it comes to TiVo unless, as you say, you could locate an original hard drive. There are other DIY options that have additional requirements for them to work. All are listed in the sticky. You could feasibly use the enclosure to build an external hard drive for a computer though.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  12. Mar 3, 2009 #2572 of 10248
    mstenzel

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    Thanks, Rich. I did read the first post and found it very helpful. Maybe I missed the part about what makes WD's external drives "Tivo Verified," so sorry if this was another of those redundant posts. Of course it makes sense that the exclusivity would be found in the drive's firmware and not the enclosure as that's just a conduit. I'd rather not open my box, so I'll keep my eye on WD prices in the future. Thanks again.
     
  13. Mar 3, 2009 #2573 of 10248
    richsadams

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    For those wanting to upgrade the internal drive in their TiVo HD or do a DIY eSATA drive, the 1TB WD10000CSRTL is on sale at Micro Center for $89.99. I hesitated to post this because the downside is that it's in-store pickup only. But if you're near one of their 21 stores (or have a friend who is) it might be worth it.

    FYI, the WD10000CSRTL is the retail version of the WD10EACS which does NOT work as an internal hard drive upgrade on the Series3 due to a soft reboot issue. However it will work fine as an internal hard drive upgrade for the TiVo HD or as an eSATA drive on the Series3 (or TiVo HD w/modifications - see first post of the Official eSATA Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ sticky thread for more info.).

    For a Series3 internal drive upgrade use the recommended WD10EVCS .
     
  14. Mar 3, 2009 #2574 of 10248
    Yuterald

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    Two things - I upgraded my other HD Tivo last night and WD Expander and it was a PIECE OF CAKE! thank you very much!
    Second thing: if you're interested in the Fantom Green 1TB external drive (if you have an S3) it's on sale at Buy.com for $90 AR (you can get it for $80 from MacMall AR of product and AR of shipping). I'm thinking of buying one to attach to my PC to rip a ton of my DVDs so it'd act like a VOD for my HDTivos! Anyone use that drive for that purpose?
     
  15. Mar 3, 2009 #2575 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Yep, good reminder. Actually I just checked and the recommended 1TB Fantom GP Drive is also $89.99 at buy.com (after rebate). It's being successfully used by several folks here. (The drive inside is reported to be a WD10EACS)

    BTW, the full/boxed version of the WD10EACS I mentioned above comes with a mounting kit, eSATA and USB cables, etc. so it's usually a little more than the bare drive and might save some folks a little money if they need those things.
     
  16. Mar 3, 2009 #2576 of 10248
    Yuterald

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    I'm wondering if anyone has used this as an external drive attached to a PC to stream content to the HDTivo. I've read reviews that it's 'slow' to speed-up when accessing content via a PC through the home network.
     
  17. Mar 4, 2009 #2577 of 10248
    Dssturbo1

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    had problems getting my original S3 drive or the new Seagte drive to be shown in Win MFS but got that straightened out finally, hot pluggin them in one at a time and my computer actually recognized them specifically by name/model instead of USB mass storage. I had a USB hub that was powered and took the power off it and things seemed to work better just powered by the usb cable.

    anyway I did the >MFScopy from the S3 original WD 250Gb hard drive to the new Seagate 1.5 Tb hard drive (Jan 25, 2009 build date code with newer CC1H firmware)with all recordings (about 32 hours of HD so it took almost 6 hours using the slow Sata to USB adapters) and Clicked yes when asked to expand.

    Double checked and it said Supersize was already turned on.

    I thought using WinMFS 9.3f beta that would give me 1.35 Tb of space to use on the S3 (internal drive only no added eSata). Put the Seagate back in the S3 and it booted up just fine. Checked the recordings and they were all there, checked several to make sure they could be viewed and all was fine.

    Went to check the S3 System Information and it reports 36 Hours of HD space, just like if I had put the original WD 250Gb drive back in..........i went and checked and yes i did put the Seagate in and have the WD sitting here besides me as i type this up so not as crazy as i thought even though that woulda been an easy fix if i did mix them up that bad.

    So I thought maybe just the System info was wrong and went into the NPL and tried to transfer shows in from another Tivo S3 and Tivo HD, it allowed 2 more hours of HD (American Idol from last night) but when I tried for more transfers it says I do not have any space available to allow transfers. just as if I had copied the 250Gb S3 drive to the 1.5Tg seagate and no other space was available.

    Ok, so why did it make a good copy over from the S3 drive to the new Seagate drive but not allow for the rest of the space to be used? From the 250Gb up to 1.35 Tb

    The screen showed it as a Tivo S2 S3 drive and 1500 Gb. I did the MFSinfo and saved it. Would it show why it is only using 250Gb of the 1.35 Tb supposedly available.
     
  18. Mar 4, 2009 #2578 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Glad to hear that you were able to get the drive recognition sorted out. IIRC others have run into the same issue w/regard to TiVo recognizing the new 1.5TB drives as anything more than stock...something to do with expansion and partitions, etc. Might be best to do a search or ask Spike (creator of winMFS) about it on his forum. He's very good at responding.

    Best of luck and let us know how it goes.
     
  19. Mar 4, 2009 #2579 of 10248
    mr.unnatural

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    My 2nd Fantom 1TB external green drive arrived last night and I got a chance to try marrying it to my hacked S3 at lunchtime. This time it was wedded bliss and my S3 is now showing 251 HD hours of recording capacity (750GB internal + 1TB external). The S3 has OS version 11.0b for anyone that's interested. The real interesting thing is that the latest version of the Fantom drive is based on the Western Digital W10EVCS and not the older W10EACS. You can usually find the Fantom extrenal green drive for about $80 after MIR, making it the best bargain for an external drive used with a S3 Tivo or Tivo HD.
     
  20. Mar 4, 2009 #2580 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Excellent and outstanding information! It appears that 11.0b hasn't "broken" anything...at least when it comes to adding an "unauthorized" eSATA drive on a Series3.

    So the eSATA drive showing on your System Information is WD10EVCS? And you have this specific drive? That is great news if so. IIRC the earlier models had the WD10EACS inside, but if they've switched to the WD10EVCS that's very good news indeed. Heck, at that price they are cheaper than the same bare drive!
     

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