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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Feb 22, 2009 #2541 of 10248
    Rocka2

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    I do not think so. I think it was less, but not one wants to mess up their their Tivo or their plasma.
     
  2. Feb 23, 2009 #2542 of 10248
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    I have an S3 that has the original 250GB and an external eSATA drive added when the original KS 62 method came out. The 250GB drive is dying - I would like to replace it with the 750GB drive. Can I just use WinMFS to copy the 250 to the 750 and let the Tivo clean itself up when it realizes there is no longer an external drive? I know I'll lose recordings, but I don't want to have to re-pair the CableCards.
     
  3. Feb 23, 2009 #2543 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    You cannot upgrade the internal drive while it is paired. You must unpair the external drive before you do an internal drive upgrade.

    If your S3 original drive is bad enough that it won't boot, and you've never made a backup before, then you'll want to purchase DVRUpgrade's InstantCake restore CD for $19.99. This restore CD includes a copy of the original TiVo software which it will restore to a new drive up to 1.1 TB (1.0 TiB) in size.
     
  4. Feb 23, 2009 #2544 of 10248
    jfh3

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    So, if I unpair the existing eSATA drive first and then copy from the internal, I should be OK? Would I then be able to add an eSATA drive back on (don't think I want to, just want to know if it's an option)

    If I go the InstaCake route, I'll lose my cable card pairing, which I'd really like to avoid.
     
  5. Feb 23, 2009 #2545 of 10248
    ciper

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    I think you would disable the plug and play ESATA feature once you upgrade the internal drive. The only way to add an external drive then would be to connect the internal drive and external drive to the computer and marry them.

    Yes the combined cable card ID does change if you use instantcake. This is not problem on all cable systems however.
     
  6. Feb 23, 2009 #2546 of 10248
    txporter

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    It sounds like this is an original Series3, so the external drive I believe is still plug-n-play (I only have TivoHD, so not sure).

    Please remember that when you divorce your external drive from your original 250gb drive, you will lose ALL of your recordings made after you added the external drive. Re-pairing with the new drive will not restore your recordings. If you want to save your recordings, you need to transfer them off before divorcing. I thought that I had read on here that it is possible to copy shows from a 2 drive system with winMFS, but I was unable to find that on mfslive. Maybe someone else can find and link that information if it exists.

    Jason
     
  7. Feb 23, 2009 #2547 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Actually no, the P&P feature is disabled after upgrading the internal drive on Series3's or TiVo HD's. Per the notes above jfh3 simply needs to properly divorce the eSATA drive (and you are correct, he can transfer any recordings he wants to keep to his PC for go-back later) follow the steps in winMFS to upgrade the internal hard drive and at the same time marry the external hard drive to it. Using the original TiVo hard drive to image the new one w/winMFS will keep all of his settings including cable cards, season passes, etc.

    There are instructions for merging drives on MFSLive.org however IIRC, only if the original drive was married to the eSATA drive using WinMFS. If the TiVo menu was used then you cannot copy the recordings from an internal+external setup to a single internal drive. Since the OP used KS62 to marry the drives originally I'd be curious to know if it works, but I seriously doubt that it would. Plus the process is complicated (using the MFSLive boot CD, etc.) so I doubt if he's up for that.
     
  8. Feb 23, 2009 #2548 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    The FAQ was renamed again. Some members were thrown off by eSATA in the title, not realizing that the post also contained internal drive upgrade instructions.
     
  9. Feb 23, 2009 #2549 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Even better! Although I do miss the "Official" part of the title - so I kept it in my signature ;). Never-the-less, excellent...and continued kudos and maximum respect for all of your hard work on the original post. :up: :up: :up:
     
  10. Feb 24, 2009 #2550 of 10248
    Yuterald

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    So Sunday I divorced the WD Expander from the HDTivo; took the original HD out, upgraded to 1TB and then used the software to re-marry the WD Expander to now have @257HD recordable hours and it remembered 'everything' including the MCard pairing!
    I waited 2 days to post since after booting up and watching TV I notice evrery now and then the picture will 'slide' while watching it. I don't know how else to describe it but the picture will skip/slide for a fraction of a second and I don't know if it's attributed to the new drive but it's something that didn't happen before the 'upgrade'. I watched TV Sunday night and last night to see if it continued and it does. It doesn't happen at a set interval. It was really noticeable watching an NBA game. Audio remains fine - nothing noticeable. Has anyone else experienced this? I'll be watching TV again tonight to see if it continues and I'll also benchmark it with our other HDTivo that I'll be upgrading this weekend to see if it happens on that TV too.
    PS- the directions in the sticky are spot-on and it was a piece of cake to do the upgrade!! Thank you!!
     
  11. Feb 24, 2009 #2551 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    I've seen some odd behavior immediately after an eSATA drive was added. For me, it's always gone away after 24-48 hours. I would reboot your TiVo under Messages & Settings -> Restart or Reset System -> Restart the Tivo DVR.

    If you continue to see the same problem throughout the week, then I suppose you might just have to unpair the Expander and settle for 157 HD hours. I would give it a few days, first, however.
     
  12. Feb 24, 2009 #2552 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I've seen that bit of weirdness (with and w/o an expansion drive) and a number of others here have reported the same thing as well. I've had the Series3 upgraded for quite a while (1.5 years or so? Yikes!) and can't say if it was introduced then or before when I added an eSATA drive via KS62 almost two years ago (bigger yikes!). IIRC others w/stock TiVo's have mentioned it as well...seemed to show up about v9.x if memory serves.

    It appears to be TiVo's way of dealing with a problematic signal or possible I/O issues. Rather than some macroblocking showing up like it used to, it seems to just jump forward a frame or two. It only happens sporadically for us and to be honest I haven't see it in quite a while now. It seemed like I was seeing it more when the local broadcasters were switching over to HD which was a mess for a while but they're getting it mostly right now, NBC being the problem child now and then.

    In any case, let us know if that particular annoyance (for me at least) gets better or worse.

    Now go enjoy all of that new "real estate"!
     
  13. Feb 24, 2009 #2553 of 10248
    Yuterald

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    I did restart it Sunday night when I first viewed the 'video slip' but it continued.
    I'll see how it's doing tonight.

    I didn't know if it was the HD, ESPN, Comcast etc. I changed channels to watch something slow moving (the news) and it would happen but not as often as watching ESPN (even Sportscenter) so I'll see how she's behaving tonight.

    While you're "here" - TiVo Desktop Plus: does Plus allow you to create folders on your PC that Tivo 'recognizes' as a folder versus ignoring it as it does now in the 'free' Desktop 2.7 version?
     
  14. Feb 24, 2009 #2554 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    TiVo Desktop Plus allows you to automatically transfer entire folders of recordings to the TiVo. It does not allow you to browse subfolders on your PC.

    If you want to browse subfolders on your PC, you should install pyTiVo. I added the instructions for that to the "Tips section" of the other thread.
     
  15. Feb 24, 2009 #2555 of 10248
    Yuterald

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    And what, kind sir, is the other thread? I clicked on the "tips" link in your tag but nothing about pyTiVo (since accessing subfolders is what i want to do so i can categorize the DVDs i rip).
     
  16. Feb 24, 2009 #2556 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Now that you mention it, I remember seeing the phenomenon during fast-action sequences and I think exclusively while on HD channels. But again, nothing recently.
     
  17. Feb 24, 2009 #2557 of 10248
    Yuterald

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    And Hi-Def stations are the only stations i watch (except for Robot Chicken and South Park since my Comcrap doesn't have Comedy Central in HD YET!!) :mad:
     
  18. Feb 25, 2009 #2558 of 10248
    Yuterald

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    Welllll - last night I watched a movie streamed from Netflix so tonight I've watched some ESPN HD and I still see the 'slipping' in the video. One thing I did when I upgraded not specified in the sticky: I replaced the original drive w/a 1TB and then I re-married the WD Expander. As I discovered, prior to replacing the internal drive I had to 'un-marry' the Expander. I un-plugged the Expander (after unplugging the HDTivo power), powered up the HDTivo, it asked if I wanted to remove the Expander, I pressed the thumbs-up, rebooted, unplugged the power, and removed the internal drive. I then hooked up both the original and new drives to my computer, did the sticky, then 'married' the Expander. I then put the new drive in the Tivo, plugged the Expander into the Tivo and then powered it all up. The sticky isn't clear/doesn't discuss whether or not to first power up the HDTivo before adding the Expander again. Not sure if this has anything to do with the 'slipping' but I thought I'd mention it.
    ps - it took some troubleshooting but I'm now using pyTivo too!
     
  19. Feb 25, 2009 #2559 of 10248
    txporter

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    Once you have two drives married, you need to power on the external first to make sure it is spun up before plugging in the tivo. If you do not and the tivo begins the boot process, it will expect to find the external drive but not. It will ask you to connect it. If you did not see that, then you powered it up ok.

    Jason
     
  20. Feb 26, 2009 #2560 of 10248
    mr.unnatural

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    I decided to add an external drive to my S3 Tivo after noticing that a few of my archived recordings were being deleted. The internal drive has been upgraded from the stock 250GB drive to a 500GB and then upgraded again to a 750GB DB35 Seagate. I had a Fantom GD1000EU 1TB eSATA "Green" drive enclosure sitting on the shelf so I thought I'd give it a try.

    I pulled the Tivo drive and connected the Tivo drive plus the Fantom enclosure to my main PC. I booted up from the latest version 1.4 MFSLive boot CD image and married the drives using the following command:

    mfsadd -r 4 -ex /dev/sda /dev/sdb

    I made sure the drives were properly configured before executing the command (sda showed 16 partitions so it was pretty clear it was the Tivo drive and sdb showed no partitions as it was either a blank drive or contained unrecognizable partitions in Linux).

    I reinstalled the Tivo drive and connected the eSATA enclosure using a eSATA to eSATA cable and powered it up. When the Tivo booted up I was presented with a screen that indicated it could not find the external storage device and prompted me to divorce it from the Tivo. Since it appeared I had no other choice, I proceeded with the divorce and crossed my fingers that I wouldn't lose any recordings. Fortunately, when the Tivo booted back up, all of my recordings were intact.

    However, I was then presented with a screen that said it found an external storage unit and asked me if I wanted to marry it to the Tivo? I declined at that point since I wasn't sure what was going on (it was starting to appear like a real marriage in that the spouse couldn't make up her mind what she wanted to do:rolleyes:). I wasn't sure if the eSATA to eSATA cable I was using was a SATA I or SATA II version so I ordered a couple from Buy.com as recommended in the FAQ.

    After re-reading the FAQ and looking over the older S3 external expansion FAQ, I'm not exactly clear that I performed the proper steps. On one hand it seems like the S3 will perform the plug and play function with an external storage drive whereas the Tivo HD won't, unless the internal drive is unmodified. OTOH, there are specific instructions to add the extra drive when the internal drive has already been upgraded.

    With the upgraded internal drive, was I performing the correct steps to add the external drive? I'm hoping it was simply a cable issue and will give it another shot when I receive them. The Fantom drive (actually the WDC W10EVCS) is showing up in the system information screen as being attached but there is no change in storage capacity.
     

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