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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 26, 2009 #2461 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    The "hours of HD" is TiVo's conservative estimate. Theoretically, you could get less, but you will typically see 1.2x that, and perhaps as much as 1.5x if you do a lot of recording from movie channels.
     
  2. Jan 26, 2009 #2462 of 10248
    jeffw_00

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    Thanks, but - why movie channels? I would expect dramas (like law and Order) to have max compression (minimal action)
     
  3. Jan 26, 2009 #2463 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Excellent work! Between your clear details of the upgrade process and Spike's programming skills, there are a lot of folks, perhaps hundreds (including yours truly), that are throughly enjoying many, many more hours of TiVo goodness. Plus we have the gift that keeps on giving when highlighting our handy work to anyone and everyone that will listen even though a few, (read: wives) may suffer some painful incidents of extended eye-rolling :rolleyes: ) ;)

    Thanks very much for your continued labor of love. :up: :up: :up:
     
  4. Jan 26, 2009 #2464 of 10248
    ciper

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    I believe there is a limitation on the timing of a SuperSize. If you supersize and then expand or backup the drive you will not be able to turn it back off. In otherwords the first step of an upgrade should be to turn supersize off and the last step would be turning it back on if you want to preserve the option to disable it.

    We may want to disable it in the future if our fellow TiVo hackers can figure out how to lift the 1GB streaming buffer currently in place. With Supersize on the reserved area is limited to 10gb which may not be large enough for high quality HD movies (blue ray rips for example)
     
  5. Jan 26, 2009 #2465 of 10248
    slyone

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    I left SS off and said no to expand(near the end of copy IIRC)but got same 21HDhrs so
    I redid leaving SS off and YES to expand. Now I have my 142HDhrs.
    Thanks guys for all your support concerning this upgrade!
    Geez, looking back....it really is such an easy/simple process of upgrading the hdd
    especially with mfs. :up:
     
  6. Jan 27, 2009 #2466 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Thanks to clarification from spike (author of WinMFS), the maximum internal / external FAQs in the first post should be correct.
     
  7. Jan 28, 2009 #2467 of 10248
    Mindflux

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    For some future reference: I had problems setting the AAM on my drives. Apparently any main boards from ASUS with the "A.I Quiet" feature reset your drives to either their default AAM (254) or they raise it TO 254. Either way, when I set my drives to 128 via HFT and restart the computer and check HFT again to see if the settings kept they are once again at 254.

    Googling about Asus and AAM lead me to the "A.I Quiet" feature being the culprit, but there's presently no way to permanently set your AAM with these boards. I'd recommend using another machine if you have one.
     
  8. Jan 28, 2009 #2468 of 10248
    jeffw_00

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    So 12 hours after installing my WD drive, for no apparent reason, I got a message on my Tivo saying i had disconnected it. I touched nothing (connections were all tight), rebooted, and it worked. A search of the forums suggest that this can be remedied by a better cable, so I have ordered the "good" cable (SIIG CB-SA0111-S1), investing another $17 into this (sigh), and will see if the problem recurs before (or after) it arrives.
    Update: the DVR Expander actually was bad, crashed mt TiVo later in the day. So I'm exchanging it as well.
    but look what it did...
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7028062#post7028062
     
  9. Jan 28, 2009 #2469 of 10248
    ciper

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    Somewhere in the FAQ mention that those limits only work right when using a version of WinMFS that supports 1tb capping of partitions. IIRC the current latest version does this no matter what and the next version will have it selectable as an option but any previous versions will expand all the way and cause crashes and stuff.
     
  10. Jan 29, 2009 #2470 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    The latest version (9.3f) -- released last week -- gives you the appropriate option.

    I noted this in Section V, FAQ #11, but I will clarify it elsewhere to make sure people are using the latest version.
     
  11. Jan 29, 2009 #2471 of 10248
    ciper

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    Nice! I wasn't aware 9.3f was out already :)

    I think 9.3e does auto capping while any prior versions will expand to infinity.
     
  12. Jan 29, 2009 #2472 of 10248
    alose

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    I just performed the upgrade with a Fantom Drive 1tb. It went very smooth, but figured I would post some pointers that might help:

    Before I powered off the Tivo, I set the Tivo into standby.

    I was really lucky on choosing the Fantom Drive. It has both USB and and eSATA. It has an on/off switch and the fan is very quiet. So I only needed an adapter for the tivo drive. I bought an SATA/PATA USB converter, KINGWIN|USI-2535 R, I bought it from Newegg.

    I did not find it necessary to physically remove the hard drive from the TivoHD.

    I recommend connecting your drives after booting MFSLive. It will show the device name when you connect. In my case, I have a SATA HD in my notebook, so the tivo was /dev/hdb and the Fantom was /dev/hdc. Rand the mfsadd command and was all set.
     
  13. Jan 29, 2009 #2473 of 10248
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    Not that it makes any difference.

    Sounds like a nice bonus in having a notebook computer.

    Assuming one is using USB or the USB-to-SATA converter as you did. One would not want to do that when using a desktop computer and the internal SATA connectors which are not hot-pluggable. But the point is well taken that with MFSLive it can be a little confusing which drive is which especially if Linux is alien. Hot-plugging them leaves no doubt.

    Anyway, glad it went so smoothly!
     
  14. Jan 29, 2009 #2474 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Thanks for the info and congrats! :up: As mentioned, there's no need to put TiVo into standby, it's fully off once you unplug it, but no harm done either I suppose.

    BTW, if you're using the recommended Fantom drive the reason the fan is very quiet is because it doesn't have one. :)

    Enjoy!
     
  15. Jan 30, 2009 #2475 of 10248
    alose

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    Thanks, though it should be noted that just about all SATA chipsets but Intel ICH5-8 (non-AHCI), Pacific Digital Talon (ADMA), Promise SATA SX4 will support hotplug in a desktop. Still, for those not sure, it is probably best not to attempt on a desktop.
     
  16. Feb 1, 2009 #2476 of 10248
    IRJ

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    I finally got back to attempting the upgrade once more to the One Terabyte WD HD.

    Everything went quite smoothly. The problem was that the power line wires were BAD! The same wires were used to the USB to SATA adaptor so that's why it did not work either way I had tried B4.

    I now had 157 HD recording hours available to me.
     
  17. Feb 1, 2009 #2477 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Nice...finally. ;) Enjoy!
     
  18. Feb 1, 2009 #2478 of 10248
    GreenMonkey

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    A model I didn't see listed:

    I replaced by (not-booting) TivoHD HDD with a drive pulled from an external Simpletech [re]drive.

    The drive model is a 500GB WD5000AAVS. Googling around found it's an 8MB cache OEM version that isn't well documented. It's working fine in my TivoHD.
     
  19. Feb 2, 2009 #2479 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    That model was added to the first post a few months ago. It's a few entries above the WD10EVCS.
     
  20. Feb 3, 2009 #2480 of 10248
    GreenMonkey

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    Nope. That's a WD5000AVVS. This one is AAVS .
     

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