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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 25, 2009 #2441 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    You should double-check the instructions you printed out. In the first post you made to this thread a few days ago, it sounded like you followed half the instructions from Preserve Settings Only and half the instructions from Preserves Settings and Recordings.

    There is no posted set of instructions that involves (a) connecting two drives at the same time and (b) a truncated backup and restore.

    The FAQ in the first post answers most of these questions.

    The "plug and play" external drive expansion on a TiVo will not work with an upgraded internal drive. To add an external drive to an upgraded TiVo, you would need to "marry" the two with WinMFS on your computer.

    You can have internal and external drives up to ~1.1TB each, for ~2.2TB total.
     
  2. Jan 25, 2009 #2442 of 10248
    jeffw_00

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    I did try to get this from the FAQ - they didn't address upgrading INTERNAL -after- adding external (but I suppose you can always
    1) remove external (from unmodified)
    2) upgrade internal & add external (which requires winMFS - I get it 8-})

    Thanks on the disk limitation - apologize if that's in the FAQ, I missed it
    /j
     
  3. Jan 25, 2009 #2443 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    You can do that, just be aware that #2 will require you to connect both drives to your computer to "marry" them.

    You may or may not be able to preserve the recordings with such an upgrade. I can't recall whether the latest version of WinMFS can copy an existing internal + external setup to a single internal drive. If someone else knows, please post.
     
  4. Jan 25, 2009 #2444 of 10248
    jeffw_00

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    yup - got it, thanks. preserving recordings not crucial
     
  5. Jan 25, 2009 #2445 of 10248
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    I guess I got it here?
     
  6. Jan 25, 2009 #2446 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Rich mentioned a truncated backup as an alternative method to backup the software, not another way to backup your recordings.

    As long as you stick to the instructions in the first post, you'll be fine and avoid yourself unnecessary frustration.
     
  7. Jan 25, 2009 #2447 of 10248
    slyone

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    bkdtv, I just found where both drives are connected under instructions #14-9

    Shut down Windows, turn off your computer, and connect the TiVo's built-in SATA drive and your new replacement SATA drive. You can open your computer and connect both with SATA cables, or you can connect them externally using a pair of SATA->USB adapters or a dual drive dock. Both drives should be connected to your PC at the same time.
     
  8. Jan 25, 2009 #2448 of 10248
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    That's correct. Those are the instructions you need to follow to backup your recordings. They tell you to use Mfscopy, not a restore from a truncated backup.
     
  9. Jan 25, 2009 #2449 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    I've added (A) and (B) to separate the internal upgrade instructions in Section V, FAQ 14. Hopefully, that will help to prevent others from accidentally mixing up the instructions from one with the other.
     
  10. Jan 25, 2009 #2450 of 10248
    eddieb187

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    Hudson...
    Thanks so much Rich and bkdtv.
    I guess I'll just do an upgrade from scratch.
    Looks like the safest way.

    bkdtv,
    Should I upgrade the drive in the new Tivo HD.
    Or activate, upgrade the software, and then upgrade the drive?
     
  11. Jan 25, 2009 #2451 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    The order doesn't matter.

    If you plan to get digital cable, I do think it's a good idea to activate your CableCards before you do an upgrade.

    If you backup and replace your drive before the CableCard installation, then you'll only have the CableCard activation (pairing) information on the new drive; it won't be on the original TiVo drive or in the backup file on your computer. By activating your CableCards before the upgrade, the CableCard activation (pairing) information is stored on the original drive, as well as your saved backup file; that way, should you ever replace your new drive, your CableCards still function without the need for a service call to reactivate them.
     
  12. Jan 25, 2009 #2452 of 10248
    Rocka2

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    Thanks.
     
  13. Jan 26, 2009 #2453 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Yes, but I can see how my response would have been confusing...sorry 'bout that. :eek:
     
  14. Jan 26, 2009 #2454 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Yes. Some folks here pop the original drive back in now and then to keep their software updated, but that's not necessary.

    FWIW, some brand new TiVo's sit in warehouses for over a year or more (as evidenced by the version of the software they're running when they're fired up). Once they are connected to the TiVo service they automatically upgrade to the latest version. It's possible that three or four upgrades have occurred since the box was built so it's not a problem.
     
  15. Jan 26, 2009 #2455 of 10248
    slyone

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    well, I got it all now..redid with non-supersize. besides not knowing truncated, I also found where I tripped up originally. On F&Q it states;

    # In WinMFS, click 'Select Drive' and set the original TiVo drive as Source Drive A and the new internal drive replacement as Destination Drive A.

    # Select Tools -> Mfscopy to copy the full contents of the old drive -- including all recordings -- to the new.

    should read like this;
    # In WinMFS, click 'Select Drive' and set the original TiVo drive as Drive A (Source).

    # Select Tools -> Mfscopy and select the new internal drive replacement as Destination Drive A. to copy the full contents of the old drive -- including all recordings -- to the new. :)
     
  16. Jan 26, 2009 #2456 of 10248
    alyssa

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    Since I'm a bit farther down the time line, let me encourage you to upgrade the internal before adding the MyDvd external. I've got two tivos, one with an stock internal & an home made external, the other tivo has a upgraded internal.

    I am currently looking at upgrading my internal on the tivo with the external drive. I stand to lose all of my multiple seasons of shows which can not be transferred off my tivo due to TW's draconian CCI flag plolicy.

    Another issue might be the added cost of MyDvd expander vs. building your own much larger external unit. The cost per GB is lower for a home built unit the for the MyDvd unit.

    The last reason might be, since you're gonna have to crack the box to marry a homebuilt expander unit, you might as well upgrade the internal.
     
  17. Jan 26, 2009 #2457 of 10248
    jeffw_00

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    Thanks alyssa but
    1) I don't store any programming permanently on my TiVo,
    2) no plans to crack the box (except, maybe, for a backup) until after the warranties Xpire

    Everyone has their priorities. I respect yours 8-}
     
  18. Jan 26, 2009 #2458 of 10248
    jeffw_00

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    ok thanks
     
  19. Jan 26, 2009 #2459 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    This morning, I added a "Summary of Expansion Options" atop the first post. I also updated the FAQ entries on the use of larger drives.
     
  20. Jan 26, 2009 #2460 of 10248
    jeffw_00

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    very clearly written - thanks.
    a nit - external drive has come down to $120 (newegg)
    qn - are the "hours of HD" minimum or maximum (someone somewhere mentioned a 1.2-1.5x multiplier for max range?)

    thanks!
    /j
     

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