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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 24, 2009 #2421 of 10316
    slyone

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    I too really appreciate everyone"s input especially BDKTV and Rich! This upgrade was really so simple,quick and straight-forward! All I can say is WOW! and now I got all kinds of backup files too! I'll have to do all my machines now:D
     
  2. Jan 25, 2009 #2422 of 10316
    richsadams

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    I don't know about anyone else, but I'm just along for the ride. ;)
     
  3. Jan 25, 2009 #2423 of 10316
    ciper

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    I think it's more than 1.1TB. My understanding was 1000gb plus whatever the stock drive size is if you use the latest version of WinMFS.
     
  4. Jan 25, 2009 #2424 of 10316
    jlib

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    Is it correct that you have a single boot drive in your PC and not two in RAID format? If so, then tun off your RAID controller on the second SATA port (make it IDE). If you do have two drives in your PC that are RAIDED together then don't do that.
     
  5. Jan 25, 2009 #2425 of 10316
    Partridge

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    I did this. It worked :D I have 318 hours of HD now. It should take the wife some time to fill that up. Not sure what I did wrong b4, but I did the mfsadd without removing the TiVo internal drive...had long enough power and SATA cables to reach from my desktop. Had the target external drive in the MX-1 enclosure and used the USB connection for it. No issues this time...freakishly simple!

    Thanks bkdtv, you ROCK.

    One other comment, when I went to do MFSadd, I got a popup window that asked if it was OK to write over Tivo drive...or something similar...I said OK and the rest as they say, is history. Sorry I didn't do a screen capture. Just wanted folks to be aware that that is a normal (expected) message.
     
  6. Jan 25, 2009 #2426 of 10316
    richsadams

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    I'm pretty sure you're right. I hadn't been following this thread (which you're participating in) at MFSLive.org where Spike wrote (about a TiVo HD):

    Based on that and other posts there it sounds like a Kernel issue, but might be a winMFS limitation...or both? :confused: I couldn't locate the same info about a Series3, but the assumption would be the same results.

    I guess the bottom line is that TiVo's still not able to take advantage of the full 1.5TB drives just yet.
     
  7. Jan 25, 2009 #2427 of 10316
    eddieb187

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    Hudson...
    I need to get my Tivo HD replaced.
    Thing is, I used WinMFS to upgrade the drive to 1TB.
    Can I just put the 1TB drive in my new Tivo HD?
    Or should I do the upgrade from scratch?
    If so do I have to "Delete Format", or is that done automatically?
    Also, is it better to upgrade your Tivo HD right out of the box.
    Or should I activate it and then upgrade the drive?
    Thanks
     
  8. Jan 25, 2009 #2428 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Good questions. I don't recall anyone pulling an upgraded drive and putting it directly into a new box. The "problem" (I think) is that the TSN (TiVo Service Number) will be different on a new box.

    Normally it's recommended that the new TiVo be activated, set up, current software upgraded, etc. and run for a little while to make sure everything is working properly before upgrading the hard drive. I'm almost certain that winMFS formats (re-formats) the drive so you shouldn't have to do anything extra to your 1TB drive but you might want to check w/Spike at the MFSLive forum to confirm.
     
  9. Jan 25, 2009 #2429 of 10316
    slyone

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    I just tried watching my shows(truncated B/U) I never got any video..OH well..
     
  10. Jan 25, 2009 #2430 of 10316
    jeffw_00

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    Hi folks - I'm new to this and although I read the first couple of pages I don't have the brain capacity to read 81 pages - a couple of dumb qns?

    If I add the Approved external drive to my TivoHD (the 500GB WD My DVR Expander) ....

    1) does 10% of THAT drive also get allocated to Tivo-related stuff?

    2) If the drive dies out of warranty, can I order an exact replacement raw drive (or maybe by then a bigger one) and replace it inside the case? (is the case openable?)

    3) any reason to believe these WD drives are any less reliable than the others that people are using for internal upgrades?

    4) I'm a light user, so 660GB is essentially infinity for me. What advantage to the internal 1TB drive over the 500GB external? I see they're close to the same price...
    (isn't there an advantage that if the external drive dies your Tivo still works?)

    THANKS!
    /j
     
  11. Jan 25, 2009 #2431 of 10316
    slyone

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    I too have a question...can I simply start over the complete process of a truncated B/U to get those original recordings? would my wd10-evcs (which is currently working fine) simply be "erased"-formatted again? Hopefully yes so I could give this another shot...TIA!
     
  12. Jan 25, 2009 #2432 of 10316
    bkdtv

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    A truncated backup does not include your recordings. If you restore a truncated backup, you'll just have the TiVo software and all your original settings, but not your recordings.

    The first post has two sets of instructions:
    1. TiVo Internal Upgrade Instructions: Preserves Settings Only

    2. TiVo Internal Upgrade Instructions: Preserves Settings and Recordings
    It sounds like you followed #1, rather than #2. The latter does not involve the restore of a truncated backup. If you want to restore your recordings, you'd have to start over, following the instructions in #2 using the original TiVo drive.
     
  13. Jan 25, 2009 #2433 of 10316
    bkdtv

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    You can move the new drive into a different TiVo, but I believe you'll need to run "Clear and Delete," which will delete your existing recordings. Running "Clear and Delete" will also require that you reactivate your CableCard.

    I assume you are referring to the space reserved for video advertisements. That's only on the internal drive when you don't use MfsSuperSize. Clarified.

    In theory, yes. As a practical matter, I think the answer is no. I, I don't think the make and model with same firmware is available for purchase by end-users. So I think you'd have to replace the drive.


    Using two drives gives you two points of failure. If either your internal or external drive goes bad, you lose all your recordings, since recordings are split across both drives.


    The 500GB external preserves your warranty and requires no real effort beyond connecting the drive and rebooting the TiVo.

    A 1TB internal drive upgrade involves removing the original drive and connecting it to your computer.
     
  14. Jan 25, 2009 #2434 of 10316
    jeffw_00

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    Thanks, but (8-})
    1) anyone know definitive answer on 10% of external drive?
    3) I think it it as a bit of redundancy, taking down the ext. drive doesn't take down the Tivo, I think? (you may lose some programs but not use of the unit)
    5) not afraid of doing the upgrade myself, but figure there's no harm in keeping in good standing with TiVo for about the same price.

    thanks for the comments
    i actually subsequently posted these separately to get a bit more exposure.
    thanks!
    /j
     
  15. Jan 25, 2009 #2435 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Hi Jeff. First off...what a wimp...can't read all 81 pages? Sheesh! Kidding. ;)

    Here's my take on your questions...

    1. Not sure what 10% you're speaking of. When you add an eSATA drive TiVo simply sees both the internal and external as one drive. Future recordings are striped across both drives if that helps. If you're referring to "Supersizing" during the internal hard drive upgrade process, that only refers to getting a little more recording space out of the internal drive. AFAIK it does not affect an eSATA drive (which would need to be married to the internal drive during the upgrade process).

    2. I suppose you could try replacing a failed My DVR Expander hard drive by opening the case (and yes, the case can be opened but it voids the warranty). IMO it wouldn't be worth it though. By then they will be even cheaper (started at $209 and about $110 or so now). Might even be a larger one by then. FWIW WD will pro-rate drives after their full replacement warranty expires.

    3. The WD My DVR Expanders had some real issues early on but mostly with the supplied eSATA cables (which seems to have been resolved now). There are posts of failed drives now and then but it doesn't seem like any more than one would expect so no reason to think they are better or worse than any others.

    4. The recommendation for an internal upgrade is to put the original on the shelf and if the new drive dies you can simply use the original to image a new drive or just pop it back in TiVo and be up and running again in a few minutes. So one advantage of upgrading internally is that there's one less fail point. If either drive dies your recordings are most likely lost anyway. If the eSATA drive does die, you are correct, TiVo can recover and continue to work without it. Another thing to consider is TiVo's warranty. But again, if you keep the original drive you can put it back in and return the box...just don't mention that you opened it. TiVo is aware of drive changes because capacities are logged all of the time, but AFAIK, no one has been denied a replacement if the original drive is in there when it's returned.

    Hope that helps and happy upgrading!
     
  16. Jan 25, 2009 #2436 of 10316
    jeffw_00

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    1) thanks - that's what i was referring to - was wondering if Tivo took 10% of the external drive.
    2) my question referred to post warranty, but I think you answered - thanks
    3) thx
    4) thx - but some people say that once TiVo knows you did an upgrade they will no longer help you.
    5) something I've always wondered - can you really take the original drive off the shelf after, say, 3-4 years (and countless SW upgrades)? i mean - won't Tivo tell you "too old to upgrade", or some such?

    Seems like no big advantage to internal or external. Although, since my TiVo is brandy new, I can go external -today- without voiding warranty (or any possible 'hidden' warranties later on....)
    j
     
  17. Jan 25, 2009 #2437 of 10316
    Rocka2

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    When I expanded a Tivo HD the other day I was very fullfilled and satisisfied with my results. I replaced the internal drive and added an external drive. The result was over 300 hours of recording capacity. I started to think to check the capacity of the previously upgraded units. Sure enough one of my previously expanded units has a slightly smaller capacity and they are the exact same units expanded with the exact same hard drives. I have been using these units for over six months now and they are loaded with recordings. I wonder if I can fix the problem and how do I fix it? My guess is the supersizing did not take.
     
  18. Jan 25, 2009 #2438 of 10316
    txporter

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    You can pull the drive and apply supersize at any time without affecting recordings.

    Jason
     
  19. Jan 25, 2009 #2439 of 10316
    slyone

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    I thought "truncated" was with recordings...:eek:

    I did follow #2..in fact, I even printed them off to work directly off the paper.
    I guess I'll try that again.
    So when I do this it will automatically reformat the new drive? Thanks :)
     
  20. Jan 25, 2009 #2440 of 10316
    jeffw_00

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    I have a new HD-TiVo - if I buy the external drive. can I later buy a bigger INTERNAL drive? Can the sum of the two exceed a terabyte?
     

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