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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. ciper

    ciper New Member

    Nov 4, 2004
    Next time don't get a Monte Carslow! Should got her a 90 Tercel :p
  2. ccrider2

    ccrider2 New Member

    Nov 1, 2007
    I don't know about you, but 25 years can have an effect on the mind and body. :D
    Torquing the body and scraping the knuckles....just ain't worth it.:eek:
  3. alyssa

    alyssa New Member

    Dec 7, 2003
    I'm planing on doing a internal upgrade and adding an external eSATA to my S3. I've already got a antec case & hd for the external. I'm intending to get a WD 1T WD10EVCS for the internal upgrade.
    I noted, the instructions in the post One, sect 3 #10 recommend waiting until a bad install using WinMFS 11.0 & dual drives is tested more. Does anyone have more information on dual drive installs done with WinMFS vs. 11.0?

    If I proceed & have a problem I assume I can simply not marry the external & still have the upgraded internal?
  4. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
  5. BruceShultes

    BruceShultes New Member

    Oct 2, 2006
    I agree that power protection is very important.

    You also want to make sure that the external drive is powered on before the Tivo so I would suggest connecting the both to the same outlet at a minimum just so you won't have problems if you blow a circuit breaker on one outlet while the other continues to operate.

    As long as both the external drive and the Tivo receive power at the same time, everything seems to work. I suspect this is because the Tivo doesn't check for the external drive as soon as the boot starts.

    Since I am running short of powered outlets on my UPS, I have the external drive connected to a powered one and the Tivo connected to one that only supplies surge suppression.

    By the way, my Tivo is an S3. Things might be different with an HD or an HD XL.
  6. richsadams

    richsadams New Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    Good advice. :up: The same would apply to all TiVo's.
  7. richsadams

    richsadams New Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    Apricorn has released a 1.5TB version of their DVR Xpander. The fan-cooled 1TB and smaller versions are being used successfully by a number of folks here. It should work with stock Series3's via plug and pray but only time will tell. NOTE: It would NOT work via P&P with TiVo HD's or HDXL's.

    IMO it's kinda spendy at $239...a bare 1.5TB drive can be had for about $130 or less on sale these days. It almost certainly has the Seagate 1.5TB hard drive inside. They have been having problems with those drives but according to this post seem to have corrected it with a new firmware update today (hopefully the Apricorn drives will have already been updated before they ship).

    Engadget thinks it's ugly...but if you don't mind what others think...

    Any TiVo Pioneers/Volunteers out there? :)
  8. richsadams

    richsadams New Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    Saaaaayyyy...when did they change the name of this thread anyway?! :eek: : I apparently (as usual) wasn't paying attention.

    It used to be: "Official eSATA Drive Expansion: FAQ + Discussion"

    Now it's: "Official eSATA Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ" :D

    Thanks to the moderators for taking the advice of the wise forum members on this one. It should cut down on unnecessary new posts and make it much easier for newbies (and oldbies) to find info about upgrading their TiVo Series3's, TiVo HD's and TiVo HDXL's inside and out. Well done guys! :up:

    And continued thanks and kudos to bkdtv for doing such a superior job of keeping the original post up to date...truly a labor of love. :up: :up:
  9. Fofer

    Fofer Say what? TC Club

    Oct 29, 2000
    Thanks to you, richsadams, for being a constant beacon of help and support and good info in this thread. It's truly inspiring to see you providing so much assistance and remaining so upbeat and cheerful!
  10. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TC Club

    Dec 1, 2000
    +1 :up:
  11. richsadams

    richsadams New Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    Ah shucks...(kicking instep). It warms the cockles of my heart to know I've done something to give back to everyone else that's helped me here. Pay it forward and all that. Now I have to work on getting it right more often than not. :eek:
  12. Mindflux

    Mindflux TiVowned

    Jan 16, 2008
    Ordered a WD10EVCS for my best friend in Denver. MacMall said they'd ship it overnight (per requested) and didn't. What a stinker, I wanted to help my buddy upgrade his TiVo while I was in Denver for the weekend.

    By the way those drives are NICE.
  13. IRJ

    IRJ New Member

    Jan 9, 2009
    Well I followed the guide and removed my TIVO HD hard drive for the upgrade to a WD 0ne terabyter. The guide was excellent and everything went smoothly UNTIL....

    I attached to my W XP (IDE driven) PC via USB to SATA and my PC could not see the HD. After trying everything I decided the connection wiring looks "iffy".

    Thus I moved to another Vista/SATA PC and openend it up and attached it internally. "Well blow me down" same problem this PC did not see the HD. Neither does the mfs software see it.

    Concerned that I has somehow trashed the original HD I refitted it in the TIVO and it still works fine.

    Scratching my head for what "thing" I must be doing wrong;) I am busy this weekend , but end of next week I will retry the procedure....
    Sometimes the "fun " is in the unexpected challenges rather than the final goal....
  14. txporter

    txporter One sec, almost done

    Sep 17, 2006
    Did you connect the power supply as well as the USB/SATA adapter to the drives? Sounds like you aren't getting the drive to spin up. What I normally do is connect the power supply to the drive, listen for it to spin up. Once it has, I connect it to a USB port on the Winbox. It should detect new hardware, install some drivers and then tell you it is ready. At that point, fire up winmfs and mount the drive.

  15. Partridge

    Partridge tinkerer

    Dec 25, 2008
    I tried to update the internal drive & was successful :), then I tried to mfsadd an external drive and was unsuccessful, received error 8, something like "nothing to do" I used Winmfs and am running XP sp3. I have an issue where I can't boot the computer with one or both WD10EVCS attached to my internal SATA header, so I have to attach them after I boot up. I didn't think this was an issue because i was able to perform the internal upgrade without a problem...

    One comment on the FAQ...I used Section III, instruction 11 to upgrade the built-in drive and add an external. I had to perform step 14 "select Tools > MFScopy before I could do step 13 designate source & destination drives. Does that mean i screwed up somewhere? The new drive is currently working fine in the TiVo & everything appeared to copy over fine...

    Assuming I didn't screw up (big assumption :eek:) on the instructions, and i have an issue with my on-board SATA controller, has anyone tried adding an external drive via USB, with the internal drive connected to the computers SATA connector? I'm thinking I could try that since it didn't work with both drives connected via SATA. I have the MX-1 case which has a USB connection, and I have lots of USB connections on my computer.

    Any help/advice is welcome. I would like to try this this weekend if possible & will publish the results.


  16. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    I clarified the instructions, I think.

    It can be difficult to get the terminology exact when you're working from memory and don't have the WinMFS screens right in front of you.

    It would probably help if someone could post screenshots the next time they do an upgrade. Just hold down the ALT key and then hit the PRTSCN key on the keyboard. The open your image editor/viewer and do Edit -> Import Clipboard or File -> New from Clipboard and save it as a PNG for upload to the forum or a site like imageshack.us.

    You could do the upgrade using WinMFS with one drive connected via SATA and the other via USB. There is no requirement that says you have to use only SATA or only USB with the WinMFS software.
  17. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    Keep in mind that you won't see the drive in My Computer. My Computer only shows drives that are formatted for use with Windows. But it will show up in WinMFS, provided (a) your drive has power and (b) Windows has a driver to support your particular USB adapter.
  18. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    I added a link for dual drive docks to the first post since some people prefer those to separate USB adapters. They are pricy.
  19. slyone

    slyone New Member

    Jul 22, 2005
    Well I have good news and bad....Headgasket job completed and all is fine:p ...I just did a truncated backup with both drives attached via Sata, went extremely fast! like 5-10 min. with like 15hrs. of shows..:eek: the bad news is I'm only showing 21 hrs. od HD....The transfer went fine but I didn't do something correctly since the drive is not reporting correctly??
  20. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    I assume you installed the new drive and not the old one? :D

    I don't know exactly what you did, but you if you have multiple drives selected in WinMFS at the same time, and do a truncated backup and restore, you may not get the option to expand.

    At this point, you would do the following to enable the extra capacity on your new drive:
    1. Reconnect the new drive to your computer.

    2. Launch WinMFS by right-clicking on WinMFS.exe and selecting "Run as Administrator."

    3. In WinMFS, click 'Select Drive' and select the new replacement SATA drive.

    4. Select Tools -> Mfsadd.

    5. Optional: Select Tools-> MfsSuperSize -> On.

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