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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Nov 2, 2007 #221 of 10248
    HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

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    Actually, I prepare the DriveStation as a single TiVo drive with WinMFS. I am plugging it into the internal SATA port on the motherboard, either directly or going through the HD's eSATA port. Connected those ways, with the same cables, bare SATA drives boot normally, but DriveStation doesn't.
     
  2. Nov 2, 2007 #222 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Ahh, I see that now. Read your first post too quickly.

    Don't know what that doesn't work. IIIRC, Spike2k5 did use a RAID to successfully expand the Tivo.
     
  3. Nov 2, 2007 #223 of 10248
    thilt

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    HD Tivo - Sorry I don't have any advice for your problem. Was wondering if you (or anyone else) knows whether the Drive Station Quatro would work "as is" as an expander with a stock Series3? I have had good suucess with another Buffalo product on a different DVR (Moxi) that requires a USB connection. Thanks.
     
  4. Nov 2, 2007 #224 of 10248
    c3

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    Yes. The WD 1TB drive is the only 1TB drive I would use for TiVo. Those two parameters are not important at all when I shop for a drive.
     
  5. Nov 3, 2007 #225 of 10248
    jlib

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    WD says all their 3.5" drives are for 24/7 use and, anyway, no manufacturer certifies some of their drives specifically for 24/7 use as opposed to some other drives that aren't. All modern drives are 24/7. The only thing a drive manufacturer will certify is compatibility with various standards. That is true for Seagate, Hitachi, and Western Digital.

    The DVR specific drives are of no benefit at all to the TiVo since it does not use any of their advanced features. Maybe a future TiVo will. Now, to be fair there is one circumstance where a DVR drive is superior to the equivalent standard drive. Seagate does not allow user modification of the head seek acoustics on their drives. Their DB35 series has the detuned seek as default so in that specific intra-brand case the DVR model is better. All other major manufacturers allow manual modification of the acoustics of their drives without needing to pay a premium for a quiet one.

    From a specification standpoint the WD 1TB is the superior drive choice for the TiVO at this point in time. It is rather new so does not have a history like the Deskstar but I have not seen any reports of problems that can be tied specifically to the drive itself.
     
  6. Nov 3, 2007 #226 of 10248
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    That is really disappointing news. When you mentioned the Quattro last time the specs seemed ideal. I think I even encouraged you on. It seems you are doing everything right. Is the source drive you are copying from a stock original drive? Things I would do next: Are you using latest Beta 6 of WinMFS? If so I would next try the MFS Live method and I would buy a cheap PCI SATA/eSATA card for your PC (your mention of the USB convertor implies you have no SATA ports, right?) and then have the original drive and the Quattro attached at the same time rather than doing a separate backup and restore. Copy everything, don't truncate. Good luck!
     
  7. Nov 3, 2007 #227 of 10248
    FLBoy

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    I could not find the WD My DVR Expander in stock either locally or on the net last week, so I decided to risk installing a non-verified drive. I went with the Seagate DB35 500Gb in the Antec MX-1 enclosure, and the SIIG CB-SA0111-S1 cable, as recommended in the OP.

    The installation was as smooth as silk--10 minutes to install the drive into the enclosure, 10 minutes to connect everything, and another 10 minutes for TiVo to complete the installation process. (OK, I could have done it faster, but I was being slow and careful!) :D

    In the System Information display, my Recording Capacity now reads, "Variable, up to 98 HD hours, or 927 SD hours." Woohoo! Thanks, bkdtv, for a very helpful, complete, and accurate OP. I would not have attempted this without your help.
     
  8. Nov 3, 2007 #228 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Nice job...exactly what we have and it's been flawless for going on seven months now. I'll be installing a 1TB WD Green drive internally on our S3 soon and removing the eSATA, but we've really the extra space and put it to good use! :up:

    Enjoy!
     
  9. Nov 3, 2007 #229 of 10248
    HDTiVo

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    The stock S3 drive (mine) was the WD2500BS (WD Caviar) which I don't think is an AV drive. The TiVo HDs are coming with WD1600AVBS (WD AV) which is an AV drive. I imagine the hi def TiVoes can use good quality non-AV drives perfectly well. I have been doing so with the stock S3 drive and Seagate Barracudas for a long time.

    As for the Drivestation Quattro, while so far it is a disappointment relative to use with the TiVo HD, I may try it as an expansion drive like the other person asked about. I may give the copy everything a shot. The Quattro actually comes with an eSATA PC card, but I did not use it (though I did daisy chain the eSata port/cable plate and the eSata cable in my funky experiments.)

    I have Barracudas now in the Quattro (they come with WD2500BBs) except for a Maxtor Diamond Max which is a bit noisy. If I attach that drive to the PC, how do I poke around to quiet it down? Seagate's site is not helpful about that.

    Even if the TiVo experiments end in failure, I intend to use the Quattro on my TTG Server. :up: Can't wait for $149 1TB drives next year. :cool:
     
  10. Nov 3, 2007 #230 of 10248
    Mack The Dog

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    If I put the 1TB WD Green drive in an MX-1, leave the stock drive in my TivoHD, marry the two together with mfsadd, will I be able to upgrade the stock drive at a later date? If so, if I use mfscopy later will it copy the marriage with the 1TB and thus keep my recorded shows?
     
  11. Nov 3, 2007 #231 of 10248
    c3

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    I would recommend replacing the internal drive instead. 160GB is not worth adding as a second drive. If you want more space later, add another drive externally.
     
  12. Nov 3, 2007 #232 of 10248
    Scarabaeus

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    I just managed to "marry" a Hitachi Cinemastar 1TB in the Antek case to my TivoHD, using the "mfsadd -x -r 4 /dev/sda /dev/sdb" method.

    It now reports 152 hours of HD / 1444 hours of SD.

    Thank you all for the valuable info.
     
  13. Nov 3, 2007 #233 of 10248
    jlib

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    c3 speaks the truth. Since you have to open the TiVo anyway to accomplish your non-official upgrade, you might as well first just upgrade the internal drive to the maximum you can afford. It will probably be some time then until you would have to revisit the capacity issue again but if you did you could then add an external drive and not lose your then currently saved shows. If you start with an external drive add-on with stock internal drive and subsequently decide to upgrade the internal drive you will lose your saved shows.

    One drive is better than two just from the keep-it-simple standpoint. The external drive add-on process is mainly of value if one is completely techno-phobic or the thought of opening the TiVo box and voiding the 90-day warranty causes pause or if one has already upgraded the internal drive and you realize that more is never enough. So, I know this is the eSATA expansion thread but the wisest course of action is actually to upgrade the internal drive first if one is willing to open the TiVO.
     
  14. Nov 3, 2007 #234 of 10248
    jlib

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    As long as it is a real Maxtor drive you can use Hitachi Feature Tool or the hdparm command on a Linux boot disk to put it in quiet mode. If it is a rebadged Seagate, probably not.
     
  15. Nov 3, 2007 #235 of 10248
    Wheens

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    I realize that this is probably elementary, but if I replace the original internal drive on my new THD with a 500G unit, is the new drive considered an expanded or upgraded drive or both?

    In the future, if I add an esata drive, do I have to reinstall the original drive and update the SW to 9.2?
     
  16. Nov 3, 2007 #236 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Both.

    The "plug and play" eSATA expansion doesn't work if you have an upgraded drive in your Tivo, but you can still add an eSATA drive to an upgraded Tivo by using your computer, as described in FAQ #10, III. Non-Verified drives.
     
  17. Nov 4, 2007 #237 of 10248
    HDTiVo

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    I'm not sure how to tell. The manufacture date was in the first half of '06.

    If I use the Hitachi Feature Tool (assume drive connected to PC via IDE - USB adapter) can I do it without damaging the data on the drive so it is likely to pop back into the Quattro and not have to re-build the RAID5 array (or worse yet, the data I've copied over so far gets lost?)
     
  18. Nov 4, 2007 #238 of 10248
    jlib

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    They merged in late 2005. In any case, adjusting the head seek acoustic setting has no affect on the contents of the drive itself. It is a firmware setting. But is is a DOS boot disk so USB is not natively supported. Do you have no standard IDE (PATA) cables in your system? Your CDROM is most likely on one. Just share that cable. You only need to boot the CD or floppy. You don't need any other hard drives connected. Alternately, a Linux boot disk will see the USB adapter in case you are using it on a laptop or other PC with no accessible IDE ports.
     
  19. Nov 4, 2007 #239 of 10248
    Mack The Dog

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    I understand that. My question is: IF I decide to keep the stock drive (btw, it is 250gb) inside my TivoHD, marry it to the 1TB green drive in an MX-1, decide that I need more than the 1.25TB at a later date, decide to use mfscopy to copy the stock drive to a new drive, would the marriage be copied as well?

    Again, I do understand that this might not be recommended, just call it intellectual curiosity...
     
  20. Nov 4, 2007 #240 of 10248
    HDTiVo

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    I have a feeling that is a permutation that has not been tried yet.

    I don't have any SATAs lying around available to try it with, or I'd give it a shot for you.
     

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