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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 16, 2009 #2321 of 10306
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Happy upgrading and keep us posted. :up:
     
  2. Jan 17, 2009 #2322 of 10306
    ccrider2

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    Yes Rich....I plan to do that...When, I don't know. I've accumulated a lot of programs since I upgraded my S3 to 1TB. Before something bad happens, I need to get them transfered to the PC, edited, and moved to my NAS.

    I can't seem to stop myself from recording things.
    I guess that's one disadvantage of having a larger drive. :D
     
  3. Jan 17, 2009 #2323 of 10306
    slyone

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    should receive my hdd Tuesday:D I have 12 shows/20GB. I can't transfer:mad:got the red dohickey...wondering if I can/should transfer when doing the upgrade/backup to new hdd?, If yes..how long to do that operation?
    How much space is needed on pc when performing upgrade? all my hdd's on all my machines are chuck-full...
     
  4. Jan 17, 2009 #2324 of 10306
    osurpless

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    I am hoping to buy such a drive soon, and wanted to know if any newer ones but the DVR Expander drive work now?
     
  5. Jan 17, 2009 #2325 of 10306
    slyone

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    I think I was in the same place you were a week ago...I even had the dvr expander come to my door:eek: I since have decided to upgrade the internal hdd for so many reasons
    1) the original hdd put away for backup:up:YEA!!
    2) twice the space for the same money:up:YEA!
    3) no...yet additional devices to power and support
    4) I hadn't realized until reading here that the DVR Expander will only work with 1 Tivo! I was thinking I could PNP with other Tivo's...NOT!
    5) gives me a reason to mess around with my stuff:D
    I got mine at Provantage (Best Price)http://www.provantage.com/western-digital-wd10evcs~7WNDO005.htm

    Also at Buy.com-http://www.buy.com/prod/western-digital-av-gp-wd10evcs-hard-drive-1tb-serial-ata-300-serial/q/loc/101/206827123.html
     
  6. Jan 17, 2009 #2326 of 10306
    richsadams

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    All of the info you need including recommended eSATA drives, enclosures, internal hard drives and how to upgrade using any of them can be found on the first post of this sticky thread.

    That said, IIRC you have both a Series3 and a TiVo HD? If you're asking about adding an eSATA drive to the Series3, most eSATA drives will work or you can DIY (buy a bare drive, an enclosure like the recommended Antec MX-1 and put them together). Be sure to check the first post for recommended eSATA drives and why they are recommended.

    If you're talking about an eSATA drive for your TiVo HD (and it sounds like you are) the 500GB WD My DVR Expander is still the only one that will work via plug and play. Anything else has to be "married" to the internal drive. Common wisdom here is that in lieu of adding anything else, it's better to simply upgrade the TiVo HD's internal hard drive.
     
  7. Jan 17, 2009 #2327 of 10306
    richsadams

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    You could certainly copy your existing recordings to your new hard drive. Just follow the proper steps included on the first post. How long it takes depends on how you're transferring...USB, SATA, etc. USB can take a while, SATA takes much less time, but it can be done either way. My guess is no longer than two to three hours at most if USB is used.

    Very little space is used on the PC during the upgrade. IIRC, something like 30MB...or was it 13MB? In any case, not that much.

    It's too late now, but I completely forgot to mention another way to transfer shows between TiVos; a crossover Ethernet cable. If you can put both TiVo's near each other, using a 6' crossover cable (about $6) will work just fine and might be faster than running it through a home network. Each TiVo will show up in the respective menu just as it does on a network (because they are networked). When saving some programs before upgrading a while back I decided to do that and it worked very well. Less failure points, etc. All of the recordings transferred over quickly and I was up and running in no time.

    Good luck and keep us posted! :up:
     
  8. Jan 18, 2009 #2328 of 10306
    slyone

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    Oh that all sounds great Rich, Thanks! I guess I'll use the Dell530 w/Vista just not sure what Sata ports I even have available.
    I don't know..I thought I read if doind some movie backups as well as the restore that I would need to have both hdd's connected at some point? Not a big deal I do have an usb2.0 to Sata cable/adapter if needed...only thing is..the last couple times I recall the cable/connection was becoming finicky and we all know a lost connection during this sort of process would be devastating. I'm going to be shooting hopefully for a very quick/smooth changeover like some posters have had.
     
  9. Jan 18, 2009 #2329 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Yes, if you're going to copy recordings as well as the image you would need both the new and OEM drive connected. Although I believe you can do a truncated backup of the original drive's content to your computer and then restore it to the new drive. I've never done that but others here have and can chime in. However if you have 20GB of recordings and not too much space on your computer's hard drive you might have to make some executive decisions.

    According to the specs your Dell 530 Desktop has 4 SATA ports. You should be able to connect both along with your Windows hard drive at the same time; definitely the way to go. (You might have to temporarily disconnect an optical drive, etc.) If needed you can also pick up a SATA connector at most any store selling computer parts...I found them at Radio Shack for about $10 but you can probably find them for less elsewhere.

    It sounds kind of complicated going in, but if you follow each step on the first post or the instructions for wimMFS at MFSLive.org it'll go a lot smoother and easier than you imagine.
     
  10. Jan 18, 2009 #2330 of 10306
    FishTail74

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    Hi TiVo Gurus, this is an AWSOME thread! :up: It saved me a ton of time/money, and is exactly why this website was started! With that said, I do have a proposed edit to the sticky, based on my (limited) experience and many points of valuable advice from you guys in other threads over the last couple days.

    It would be great if at the top of the post, there was a "Choice Summary" of sorts. I just purchased a TiVoHD. After reading about 80% of the sticky, and multiple side conversations/threads, have learned the following. This information is in the sticky, but for noobs like me, is very difficult (and sometimes frustrating) to realize and learn. In fact I almost bought the wrong stuff! I think this could help attract noobs to the TiVoCom. forums too.

    Thanks guys for all your help, and considering my proposed sticky edit!
    FishTail :D

    -------------------Proposed start of "Choice Summary"--------------------
    ---------------------(please proof read for accuracy)-----------------------

    Choice Summary - This section lists a very high level summary of upgrade choices. Within each TiVo summary, the choices are listed in the order of approximate difficulty.

    Choice Summary - TiVoHD
    1) Add the official TiVo "My DVR Expander" 500 MB external - This maintains warranty, is extremely quick and easy, and preserves all settings/passes/shows. Can only add 500MB. Cost as low as $110.
    2) Swap in a non-official TiVo internal - This voids warranty (must open TiVo) and can preserves all settings/passes/shows on any existing internal and external drives. Can add upto 1.1 GB. Cost as low as $100.
    3) Add a non-official TiVo external - This voids warranty (must open TiVo) and can preserves all settings/passes/shows on existing internal drive. Can add upto 2.2 GB. Cost as low as $150.​

    Choice Summary - TiVo Series 3
    1) TBD. . . ​

    Choice Summary - TiVo Series 2
    1) TBD. . . ​
     
  11. Jan 18, 2009 #2331 of 10306
    trussrules

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    If you are going to do this, there are some issues with the sizes (MB/GB should be GB/TB), and choices 2 & 3 aren't mutually exclusive, since can upgrade the internal drive and add an external drive.
     
  12. Jan 18, 2009 #2332 of 10306
    FishTail74

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    Am I suppose to do this edit myself? I thought I was only supose to "propose" an edit request. Here's the updated verbiage, implementing your corrections and advice. Thanks!



    --------------------------------Proposed start of "Choice Summary" VER #2 ---------------------------------
    -------------------------------------(please proof read for accuracy)---------------------------------------


    Choice Summary - This section lists a very high level summary of upgrade choices. Within each TiVo summary, the choices are listed in the order of approximate difficulty. Note that a multiple choices (both internal and external upgrades) can be performed, even if done at separate times.

    Choice Summary - TiVoHD
    1) Add the official TiVo "My DVR Expander" 500 GB external - This maintains warranty, is extremely quick and easy, and preserves all settings/passes/shows. Only 500GB is available. Cost as low as $110.
    2) Swap in a non-official TiVo internal - This voids warranty (must open TiVo) and can preserves all settings/passes/shows on any existing internal and external drives. Can add upto 1.1 TB. Cost as low as $100.
    3) Add a non-official TiVo external - This voids warranty (must open TiVo) and can preserves all settings/passes/shows on existing internal drive. Can add upto 2.2 TB. Cost as low as $150.​

    Choice Summary - TiVo Series 3
    1) TBD. . . ​

    Choice Summary - TiVo Series 2
    1) TBD. . . ​
     
  13. Jan 18, 2009 #2333 of 10306
    richsadams

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    An "Executive Summary" at the top would be useful IMO. bkdtv has done an outstanding job of keeping the first post up to date and has added/subtracted content as needed; proposals and input are always welcome.

    My two cents...first get the moderators to change the title of the sticky. Even though it started out as an eSATA drive thread, it has everything anyone needs to know about upgrading TiVo Series3's, TiVo HD's and HDXL's including recommended hard drives, etc. The current title often leads people to create new and unnecessary posts about internal upgrades because they skipped over the sticky. Mike? Anyone? This one change would go a long way toward improving this part of the forum's usefulness IMHO.

    "The official internal and external hard drive upgrade FAQ" would be my proposal.

    With respect to the rest I would stay away from internal HDD sizes, TiVo capacities and cost specs (at least in the summary) as those are dynamic.

    Also, since this sticky is in the TiVo Series3 HDTV DVR's forum, Series2's wouldn't be included.

    But a summary at the top and an updated title would be welcome I think. :up:
     
  14. Jan 18, 2009 #2334 of 10306
    GarKar

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    Used WD10EVCS and WinMFS 9.3 beta on my Series 3. I had some minor issues. The WD drive does not have the common 4-pin power connector and requires a sata power connector. I drove to several stores looking for an adapter with no luck and finally ordered one on-line. Then I looked closer and found I already had sata power connectors on my motherboard and used them. Duh.

    In Section IV of the guide, Unsupported Internal Drive Upgrades, Tivo Internal Upgrade, Preserves Settings & Recordings I got a little confused after step 15. I did receive the dialog box asking if I wanted to expand the drive and clicked yes. It expanded the drive. I was not clear on how to supersize the drive. The instructions seemed to be for someone who did not receive the dialog box.

    I am deeply grateful to the author of the guide and offer my heartfelt thanks. I am enjoying the available 143 hours. For now I don't need the extra supersize hours.
     
  15. Jan 18, 2009 #2335 of 10306
    Softail95

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    Downers...
    I have an affected drive (not in a TiVo) and talked to Seagate. The firmware upgrade is not available yet. They said it would be out like Tuesday of this week. They are supposed to email me when it's ready.
     
  16. Jan 18, 2009 #2336 of 10306
    ccrider2

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    Well... I'm beginning to believe that Seagate is still side-stepping the firmware issue. I typed in my serial number as requested on their page and it came back as not effected. Their page said the fix was for drives manufactured in Dec '08, I and bought mine in Oct '08. But if you read the complaints from other owners, some report having the issue with drives dating back to Sept '08.
    Seems they are still a little confused over there at Seagate about what's going on, and perhaps TiVo users should stay away from the Seagate

    Barracuda 7200.11
    DiamondMax 22
    Barracuda ES.2 SATA
    SV35

    drives, till this issue is resolved.
     
  17. Jan 18, 2009 #2337 of 10306
    bkdtv

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    Can you clarify how you found step 16 confusing so I can modify the FAQ?

    You still have two drives connected, so WinMFS doesn't know what drive to Supersize. That's why you have to select the destination drive with File--> Select Drive (step16) before you can enable Supersize with Tools-> MfsSuperSize -> On (step17).
     
  18. Jan 18, 2009 #2338 of 10306
    dewaynehughes

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    I was able to use the FAQ to add a 1 TB internal and a 1 TB external drive to my TiVo HD. I purchased a Rosewill RX355-X2 eSATA enclosure from Newegg for $40 (with free shipping). It has two 50mm fans built into the sides of the case, so the drive stays cool. It has a hard power switch. It also includes an eSATA cable that works with my TiVo.

    For the internal drive, I used 1TB Western Digital AV-GP WD10EVCS Hard Drive. For the external drive, I used a 1 TB Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000 HDS721010KLA330 (0A35155).

    My software version is 11.0-01-2-652, and my recording capacity is 318 HD and 2777 SD. Much better than the 20 hours it was previously :)
     
  19. Jan 18, 2009 #2339 of 10306
    Softail95

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    Downers...
    Be careful. Any letters in the serial must be typed in UPPERCASE. When I typed it in lowercase, it said 'not affected', but when I typed it in uppercase, it said 'your drive IS affected".
     
  20. Jan 18, 2009 #2340 of 10306
    Mindflux

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    I dont' see a place on that page to check for affected drives by serial #?
     

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