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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 8, 2009 #2261 of 10284
    bkdtv

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    Unlike the WD10EVCS and WD10EVVS (sold for DVRs), the WD10EAVS and WD10EACS are not tuned for low-noise operation out of the box. For the WD10EAVS and WD10EACS, you need to use Hitachi Feature Tool to adjust these drives for quiet operation. More information on that can be found in Section III, FAQ #29 of the first post.
     
  2. Jan 8, 2009 #2262 of 10284
    mattack

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    Ok, thanks. I should go read that again. Maybe the list could be clarified. Basically, you're saying that except for the ABOVE problems, there are no known problems, right?

    I was basically treating the list the opposite way -- that list was the list of drives that were known to work, and be vary wary that anything else likely wouldn't work. (For example, in my Toshiba XS32 hard drive/DVD recorder and its successors, the drive and DVD burner replacements are VERY limited. Generally things are known _not_ to work rather than work.)
     
  3. Jan 9, 2009 #2263 of 10284
    richsadams

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    All of the drives listed on the first post are successfully being used by TCF members, with the warning about not using the WD10EACS in a Series3.

    More recently there were several reports of Samsung Spinpoint drives either failing or not able to boot up. IIRC they were in both TiVo HD's and Series3's.

    With regard to using anything else...caveat emptor as they say. As hard drive models are refined/upgraded and new models come along brave TiVo Pioneers like yourself will be called upon to report back on how things go. bkdtv continues to do a stellar job of keeping the first post up to date thanks to all of the good folks here sharing their successful and not so successful upgrade stories. :up:
     
  4. Jan 9, 2009 #2264 of 10284
    Softail95

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    I looked on the fora for an answer to this question, and I found the question, but not the answer.

    I was putting another 1TB Seagate (ST31000340AS) into my PC yesterday, and I pulled the jumper for "limit I/O to 1,5 Gbs" off the drive, since my mb will run it at 3.0 Gbs... As I did this, a few of things occurred to me... 1. Was there a jumper like that on the WD that I put into the HDTiVo a few days ago? 2. Since I don't remember, I obviously didn't pull it--should I have? and 3. Out of curiosity, Does the TiVo SATA interface run at 1.5Gbs or faster?

    I know that I could find the answer to #1 by looking at the drive, but I'd rather not pull apart the TiVo again if someone already knows the answer....
     
  5. Jan 9, 2009 #2265 of 10284
    danpedraza

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    I was able to purchase the 1TB wd Green drive new and already hacked by an Ebay seller with 100 percent feedback and powerseller over 4000 transactions. I followed the guide and removed the old drive (160gb) and replaced with this new one. I was able to perform guided setup and can live with all lost settings and recordings. Before the upgrade i was able to get Cablevision NYC all premium channels like HBO, Cinemax Showtime.... I get most of the channels now including HBO and showtime HD. I get all the HD channels and all the standard cable channels. What i dont get is all the regular standard def premiums like HBO, Showtime, Cinemax. I get the black screen that says cable provide needs to be contacted. I call cable provider and they are on the phone like 3 hours trying to resolve. They cant do it. Am i in need of a new cablecard?
     
  6. Jan 9, 2009 #2266 of 10284
    txporter

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    If you purchased a drive from an ebay seller with the software all ready to go, it doesn't have your cablecard information. You will need to have them re-paired and authorized. I am surprised that you are getting any of the channels that cablecards are needed for.

    You can also do a truncated backup of your old drive and restore to the new drive using winMFS to copy your CC info and settings over...but I think that is what you were trying to avoid by purchasing a drive that was ready to go.

    Jason
     
  7. Jan 9, 2009 #2267 of 10284
    Partridge

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    softail wrote: 1. Was there a jumper like that on the WD that I put into the HDTiVo a few days ago? 2. Since I don't remember, I obviously didn't pull it--should I have? and 3. Out of curiosity, Does the TiVo SATA interface run at 1.5Gbs or faster?

    Hello to all. I really get alot out of this forum, thanks :) ...long time lurker...

    I just purchased the WD10EVCS...actually 2 of them (2nd one has not arrived) and I don't recall any jumpers attached to the drive. So to answer your questions: 1. No; 2. Nothing to pull; 3. I assume that Tivos HD SATA is compatible with the faster throughput, otherwise the drive would not function...
     
  8. Jan 9, 2009 #2268 of 10284
    Mindflux

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    I too don't recall a jumper on the WD10EVCS.
     
  9. Jan 9, 2009 #2269 of 10284
    Softail95

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    SATA can go 1.5Gb/s or 3.0Gb/s. I was wondering if anyone knew which TiVo uses.... :)
     
  10. Jan 9, 2009 #2270 of 10284
    bkdtv

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    IIRC, 1.5 Gbps.
     
  11. Jan 9, 2009 #2271 of 10284
    mhalladay

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    All - A quick 'success story' from a long-time lurker, who is very grateful for all of the guidance and info found on this site (and especially this Thread):
    - Standard TivoHD set up last weekend (Amazon price was $222.27, w/ free shipping)
    - On Saturday, I set up the TivoHD with Comcast cable input and Ethernet wired into my home network. All went well with basic setup, then I forced a couple of connections to the Tivo server to assure that most current software would be downloaded; and then forced as system restart so that the updated software would be installed, instead of waiting for this to happen at 2:00a.m or so, as apparently is normal procedure for major software updates. Successfully went from version 8 to 11.0, which enables Netflix and external eSATA access, among other things I'm sure.
    - Went to Comcast counter (Arlington, VA) that afternoon, as customer service phone call advised me that I could pick up cablecard(s) there; of course that turned out to be wrong; but they could schedule me for technician visit the next morning (yes, Sunday!) - Technicial showed up as promised, and installed one M-card -- it was recognized by the Comcast network center and I was recieving all channels within minutes: VERY smooth, I must say, for Comcast...
    - Separately, I ordered 2 WD10EVCS drives and the Icy Dock MB559US-1SMB eSATA enclosure; all from BUY.com - again with free shipping. Drives were $112 each, enclosure was $68 (I did decide to spend a bit more on this; no fan, and good feedback on build quality & performance, from what I could find.)
    - This morning, I followed all of the directions in FAQ #11, Section III above; and within an hour I had gone from 21 hours HD to 318 hours HD capacity -- very smooth and easy, I must say. I have a home-built Vista machine with Asus P5K mobo and Antec TruePower supply; so it was easy for me to cable up to 2 unused SATA connections on the motherboard & unused SATA power connectors - transfer of all settings and recordings from the original drive using WinMSF took about 35 minutes. Installing the new internal WD10EVCS, closign up the TivoHD, and connecting the eSATA cable to the Icy Dock enclosure went easily, and the system started up just like normally. I didn't even have to go through the Tivo menus to enable the external storage -- full 318 hours HD capacity showed up with first start-up of the TivoHD with attached eSATA drive; I'm using the eSATA cable that came with the Icy Dock enclosure, and it's working just fine (I did also buy a Siig cable from Amazon, but will save that for later...)

    I just want to say 'Thanks' to all of the folks who've contributed to making this upgrade so comfortable for me to take on.

    That's all from A Happy TivoHD user!
     
  12. Jan 9, 2009 #2272 of 10284
    Mindflux

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    HOLY FRIJOLE. 318 hours? :D

    What's your impressions of that Icy Dock? It's got a 20 dollar rebate on it right now.

    I should have done this from the get go, I'd have to remove the drive and marry the external to get this to work now... oh well. 157 hours of HD is still insane.
     
  13. Jan 9, 2009 #2273 of 10284
    jlib

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    Yes, 3.0Gb/s is supposed to be backwards compatible with 1.5Gb/s from either side of the connection but you still see some drives with jumpers to limit to 1.5Gb/s to accommodate some misbehaving early SATA controller chips that did not implement autonegotiation properly but generally you should not need to worry about it these days. Not to mention it is unlikely you will find a drive that will be a able to keep up with a 1.5Gb/s interface let alone a 3.0Gb/s one.
     
  14. Jan 10, 2009 #2274 of 10284
    Partridge

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    OK, thanks. I was basing my earlier comment on something I read in the Hitachi Feature Set manual..."Early generation SATA drives where introduced supporting 1.5Gb/s interface transfer speeds. Advances in technology have introduced a new standard that can support transfer speeds of up to 3.0Gb/s. Hitachi Global Storage Technologies SATA products (Deskstar 7K80 onwards) support up to 3.0Gb/s. Unfortunately some Host controllers in the market have yet to support the latest standard in itÂ’s entirety, thus if drives set to support these recent features were to be attached to those Hosts the drive may not be able to boot."

    The WD10EVCS comes with no jumpers, and the drive indicates Jumpered pins 5 & 6 enables 1.5GB PHY. So I incorrectly assumed that since there was no jumper, it must be operating @ the higher tranxfer speed, when it could be operating at either. :eek:

    Also verified that the automatic acoustic management was set to 128 on this drive.
     
  15. Jan 10, 2009 #2275 of 10284
    mhalladay

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    I may not have the 318 HD hours anymore... After being up through the afternoon yesterday, last night the TivoHD spontaneously rebooted (I had just re-programmed the 30-second skip, and was going back and forth in a recording - it froze and then went through Powerup procedure.) It did okay for a while, but then was again unresponsive to the remote.. So I'm thinking there may be a problem with external drive connector; I decide to remove external storage -- did this with power off to the TivoHD, then Tivo startup recognized that eSATA drive was gone; I confirmed that I wanted to remove the external storage (my thought being that I'd get up & running with just the new internal 1TB drive, and let that run for at least a week..) -- BUT, system got stuck for at least 50 minutes at a screen saying that external drive was being removed - message did say it would take a while and to not unplug the Tivo until it restarted... but I thought 50 minutes was plenty of time, and that it had hung.. SO, I did unplug power; upon restarting, I got a screen saying TivoHD had experienced a serious problem, that an attempt to fix it would take about 3 hours, and then to contact Customer Service if it did not restart after 3 hours. Given my 'unauthorized' upgrade, I've decided to open up the unit, and re-copy the original 160GB Tivo internal drive to the 1TB WD drive, and see if I can get it running and stable again, with just internal.... I may just go without the external eSATA drive (I can use it for my Vista PC - current boot drive is filling up...)

    If anyone has thoughts on where I went wrong, or what type of issue may have caused this, I'd welcome input!

    I forgot to mention the $20 rebate for the Icy Dock -- so far, it seems very nice...

    Thanks for the reply....
     
  16. Jan 10, 2009 #2276 of 10284
    bkdtv

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    mhalladay,

    It's possible that the eSATA cable caused some sort of corruption.

    It's possible that one of your drives was defective or damaged in shipment.

    It is also possible that upgraded internal + external drives are not reliable with the 11.0 software released before the Christmas holidays. Many others have upgraded just their internal drives with 11.0, but I believe you are the first person to report on an internal + external upgrade since that version was released.

    I'll add a disclaimer to the FAQ about such dual drive upgrades at least until we get some successful reports of that under 11.0.
     
  17. Jan 10, 2009 #2277 of 10284
    jlib

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    Since you have the well regarded Siig cable you might as well use it. Also, is the Icy Dock in a well ventilated area? Since it has no fan you want to make sure overheating does not occur. As to what overheating is, well, ideally you would want to run the drive for a while and then immediately open it and get a reading off the drive with a IR thermometer. That might not be practical. At least the drives you are using are very cool running so should be OK in that enclosure as long as it has good air flow around it.
     
  18. Jan 10, 2009 #2278 of 10284
    richsadams

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    You've gotten some good advice so far and I'll put in my two-cents as well. The fact that pulling the plug triggered an MFS assert (GSOD, which marks the file system as being damaged) tends to make me believe that after disconnecting your eSATA drive, 50 minutes may not have been enough time for TiVo to reformat, reindex, etc. and it ended up corrupting the data on the drive. Depending on how many recordings you had it probably needed more time. IIRC someone else did the same and it took over three hours for TiVo to clean things up and reboot. Best bet is to follow directions. ;) I think I would have left it overnight and if it was still on that screen in the a.m., then I might pull the plug. Just a thought.

    Re-imaging the drive should get you back up and running. Let us know how things go.
     
  19. Jan 10, 2009 #2279 of 10284
    txporter

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    I added an antec mx-1 with a WD10EVCS to my TivoHD on 1/3. I have a WD10EACS internally which I have run for over a year. Using the SIIG cable. No problems on V11.

    Jason
     
  20. Jan 10, 2009 #2280 of 10284
    mhalladay

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    I do appreciate the good feedback; and (in hindsight) I may have been too impatient after the 50 minute wait... The overnight idea, especially, sounds good - but my wife and I wanted to watch the NFL playoffs today, and I had returned the Comcast HD cable box yesterday - so the TivoHD was the only way we'd see the games in HD in the living room! (I know, not a good excuse, but it is a reason..). I also did not try replacing the cable; again, in hindsight, this is something that may have helped.

    Re-copying using WinMFS from the original 160GB drive and just going with the internal 1TB is working very well as of now :up: -- I may go ahead and add the eSATA later; but for now I'm very relieved that the system is stable and back to 'normal'. My system is now showing 142 hrs. of HD capacity; this should serve quite well, but I see from FAQ that maybe it should be 165... - Anyone have ideas on why this may be?

    Thanks, all, for the info, ideas, and support. Mike H :)
     

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