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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 7, 2009 #2241 of 10306
    bkdtv

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    Does this have a 2.5" or longer shaft?
     
  2. Jan 7, 2009 #2242 of 10306
    Mindflux

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    Alright. I watched two recorded shows last night since putting in my WD10EVCS. Both these shows had points where the video would stop and then start again in another location (a few moments later in the stream). I cannot ever recall the TiVo doing this with the stock drive. I seem to also be getting more macroblocking too. I guess this could all be coincidental and TWC is having problems but it's starting to feel like this drive can't keep up.. which I find odd nobody else has reported anything similar to my findings.
     
  3. Jan 7, 2009 #2243 of 10306
    greg_burns

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    Definately not had any problems with my WD10EVCS in the past six months. That drive definately can keep up. Hopefully you didn't get a lemon. You may want to pull it and put in a PC to run some extended tests on it to be sure it doesn't have a problem.
     
  4. Jan 7, 2009 #2244 of 10306
    Softail95

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    No, the shaft part of the driver is 1.75" long. The driver is 5.5" overall.
     
  5. Jan 7, 2009 #2245 of 10306
    zEli173

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    I thought the shaft is 3.5 inches, but in any event is the shaft length really a necessity or just a recommendation?
     
  6. Jan 7, 2009 #2246 of 10306
    Softail95

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    Specifically relating to the TiVo, at least in my Series 1 and HDTiVo, I was able to get to all the screws. The "front right-hand" screw holding the drive cradle down is a little tight, but there is enough clearance for the handle and the shaft is long enough.
     

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  7. Jan 7, 2009 #2247 of 10306
    zEli173

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    So are you saying that the Torx item I ordered won't work?
     
  8. Jan 7, 2009 #2248 of 10306
    Softail95

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    Not at all. But, I needed a T-10 AND a T-15 to do the whole job on my HDTiVo. The case screws and the screws holding the drive cradle to the motherboard were T-10, but the screws holding the drive to the drive cradle were T-15. The HD-74502 has both bits...
     
  9. Jan 7, 2009 #2249 of 10306
    dmbpj

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    when i put in a 750GB drive in my Tivo HD last weekend I had to use both a T15 and a T10 as well
     
  10. Jan 7, 2009 #2250 of 10306
    Rocka2

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    I am planning to do an upgrade on an ordinary Tivo HD and I was having real difficulty deciding which version of hard drives to use. I decided to order the Western Digital AV-GP for the internal drive and then because I did not want to spend very much money I ordered only the WD10EACS to use in an external enclosure with the AV-GP. Should I have gotten another AV-GP for the external enclosure? I really want to get the best for bang for the buck without sacrificing performance and considering longevity. They are all so close in price now I really did not save very much money by getting the WD10EACS. I realize I could have also used a WD10EACS internally since it is only a Tivo HD. Western Digital AV-GP is a really good deal right now. If this sounds like I am second guessing myself, it is true, I am. Does anybody have any input on my choices?
     
  11. Jan 7, 2009 #2251 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Not to worry as both drives are are basically the same. Besides being "pre-tuned" to be quieter, the AV-GP has a couple of other features, non of which can be used by TiVo.

    The difference you'll realize is that without any adjustments, the WD10EVCS will be quieter than the WD10EACS. "Seek noise", the clicking you hear when a hard drive is working (and they are working 24/7 in TiVo), can be annoying to some if the drive is close enough for them to hear particularly in a bedroom, etc.

    That said you can "tune" the WD10EACS to be more quiet by using a little PC program called the Hitachi Feature Tool. It's fairly easy to use (here is the User Guide) and the work could be done while it's connected to your computer for the upgrade. More details can be found on their web site as well as the first post of this thread.

    If you leave everything as is it might be fine. You could put the WD10EVCS in the external enclosure since you'll likely hear it a little more than TiVo's internal drive.

    You're correct, buying the AV-GP WD10EVCS is probably worth a couple of bucks more to save the time it takes to reduce the acoustics.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  12. Jan 7, 2009 #2252 of 10306
    Rocka2

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    Thank you for your insights. I enjoy reading all of your posts. I really enjoy this forum and Tivo. Thank you very much.
     
  13. Jan 7, 2009 #2253 of 10306
    mattack

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    Thanks, but that's actually the drive I already have in my S3. But my TivoHD drive is starting to go bad, and from what I can tell, the list of drives that work as _internal_ replacements for the TivoHD & Series 3 differ... that's why I was asking.

    (For others, the drive is http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-7200-11-Drive-ST31000340AS/dp/B000UC3CN0)
     
  14. Jan 8, 2009 #2254 of 10306
    richsadams

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    I think you've come across the info already, but the only drive on the recommended list that has a caveat is the WD10EACS which does NOT work as an internal HDD upgrade in the Series3 due to a soft reboot issue. It's cousin, the WD10EVCS, a dedicated AV/GP drive works fine in both models inside and out.

    The only other item of note is that Seagate's new 1.5TB drive is problematic in either getting it to work or if it works not being able to use the full capacity of the drive.
     
  15. Jan 8, 2009 #2255 of 10306
    jlib

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    Note that Seagate abandoned the 5-year warranty on bare non-enterprise drives. Not that they are any less reliable but they really can't compete while charging a premium price which is difficult to do in the cut-throat hard drive market. Warranties are just insurance that the consumer ultimately pays for.
     
  16. Jan 8, 2009 #2256 of 10306
    trussrules

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    Where did you read this? I had a bare Seagate drive that was only a month old go dead in October and Seagate replaced it for free with no problems? From what I've read, they haven't completely abandoned the 5-year warranty, just lowered it to 3 years.
     
  17. Jan 8, 2009 #2257 of 10306
    dxcoded

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    well I did it!!! Last night I replaced my original tivoHD drive and put in the WD10EVCS. I used the linux boot cd on my intel Imac and transfered all my recordings! Wow how easy it was! It took about 3 1/2 hours to complete getting a transfer rate of 13m/b sec. I now have 141 hd hours for recording!!! I will supersize my drive soon I just need to gain access to a windows machine. Too bad the supersize is not an option on the boot cd :(
     
  18. Jan 8, 2009 #2258 of 10306
    jlib

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    Yes, sorry, poor wording on my part. That is what I meant to imply. It used to be that Seagate had the 5 years compared to everyone else's 3 years on bare drives so had a certain advantage. They still have the 5 years on retail packages. So, "abandoned" was just sloppy wording in every respect. Thanks for clarifying that.
     
  19. Jan 8, 2009 #2259 of 10306
    Pepito

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    Greetings from Australia. :)

    I bought a TiVo last weekend, extremely happy with it. Last night I upgraded the standard 160Gb WD1600AVJS hard drive to a 1TB WD10EAVS

    Seems to work fine except whereas the old drive was basically silent, the new drive is not. Its not noisy but I can definately hear it seeking as it records.

    Curiously I can't find the WD10EAVS on the WD website so according to them it doesn't exist :cool: , does anybody know anything about it particularly whether its a good choice for a TiVo update? thanks :)
     
  20. Jan 8, 2009 #2260 of 10306
    jlib

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    Basically, it is a WD10EACS but with only 8MB cache. It is unclear if it has the same soft reboot problem as the WD10EACS with S3 models but as you point out it should be fine with the TiVo HD. As with the WD10EACS it is not intended to be used without detuning the head seek acoustics (quiet seek mode). You can use Hitachi Feature Tool or any Linux live boot disk (via hdparm command). You can do this at anytime without affecting contents of drive.
     

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