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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 5, 2009 #2201 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    That's not the way it worked in earlier versions of WinMFS. In previous versions of WinMFS, Supersize was the last step.

    That said, it is entirely possible that the behavior changed, requiring the user to enable Supersize before before the restore / mfscopy. If someone can confirm, I'll edit the first post to reflect that.
     
  2. Jan 5, 2009 #2202 of 10248
    Mindflux

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    Yes, you can according to MFSlive's forums. Give it ago and report back.
     
  3. Jan 5, 2009 #2203 of 10248
    DallasFlier

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    bkdtv, I think the users reporting 142 hours are experiencing one of two things. Either they're on a version of the TiVo software prior to 11, in which case that's about the right number...

    Or, more likely, they're leaving out a critical step because they're following directions to the letter in your sticky post. I pointed this out earlier:
    I think there are two places in your instructions in the sticky thread - you corrected and added the step in the instructions at the very bottom of the sticky, but earlier in III.11 of your sticky, the same instructions are repeated (adding extra at the bottom to address doing an internal upgrade and external eSATA all at once) and you didn't correct and add the step there. My bet is most who are reporting the wrong numbers are following the instructions in that section of your sticky.

    I used winMFS 9.3 for my upgrade, and am showing the correct number of hours, after going back and doing Supersize correctly.

    Also, to support what someone else has already said - you can go back in and Supersize after the fact. I actually didn't physically remove the drive from my S3 to Supersize, just brought the TiVo over next to the PC and had cables long enough to connect and do the trick.
     
  4. Jan 5, 2009 #2204 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Thanks. I just fixed that.

    Do you know whether the Supersize command is needed a second time when marrying an external drive? I've never seen anyone mention that.
     
  5. Jan 5, 2009 #2205 of 10248
    Softail95

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    Downers...

    Done. Now reporting 157 Hours HD and 1367 Hours SD. :D

    THANKS everybody.... I did miss turning on Supersize because it was not in the directions I printed from the top of this thread.
     
  6. Jan 5, 2009 #2206 of 10248
    Mindflux

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    SWEEEEEEEEEEET. :) Congrats, sir.
     
  7. Jan 5, 2009 #2207 of 10248
    DallasFlier

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    Sorry, I've only done the 1TB internal, haven't ever tried to marry an external drive after that.
     
  8. Jan 5, 2009 #2208 of 10248
    mattack

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    So then should the list in the first post be updated? Or is it really just that it's being subjective: What are good drives to use with a eSATA enclosure or as an internal drive upgrade?

    I guess I was hoping that that list was complete as to which drives were known to work as internal upgrades. I upgraded my S3 a few months ago, but now my TivoHD drive seems to be going bad around 14 months after getting it (when the last lifetime transfer was going on). I like that the Seagates have a 5 year warranty.

    e.g. would this work as an internal replacement:
    http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-7200-11-Drive-ST31000340AS/dp/B000UC3CN0
    ??
     
  9. Jan 6, 2009 #2209 of 10248
    bareyb

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    I like Seagate drives a lot and I've used Barracudas in the past with great success. If these DO work, it would be a great addition to the list. That's a good price for a fast drive with a 32 meg buffer. :up:
     
  10. Jan 6, 2009 #2210 of 10248
    richsadams

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    bkdtv has done a terrific job of keeping his FAQ sticky post updated. Usually it takes more than a few people using a particular drive, enclosure, etc. for a period of time before it would qualify as "recommended". We've seen examples (Samsung Spinpoints and FAP's for example) that appeared to work fine initially but developed problems later, so I can't blame him and in fact encourage him to take a cautious approach.

    If TiVo "Pioneers" such as yourself use a new piece of equipment and others follow and file follow up reports, it's likely that they'll be added to the FAQ.

    Seagate's 5 year warranty is a very good selling point. As long as the drive you're hoping to use works and is quiet enough it seems like it's a good candidate for the list.
     
  11. Jan 6, 2009 #2211 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Drives are added to the first post when (a) it becomes apparent many are using them successfully over a period of time, and (b) they work in the TivoHD and are shipped as part of other DVRs.

    Many of the drives in the first post are found in shipping Dish Network and DirecTV DVRs. Reliability is a key consideration for these products because most are distributed at a loss, with profits made through programming and/or other fees. The longer these products remain in use, without the need for a replacement, the more money the provider makes. I also follow other forums for satellite DVRs, to see what users are successfully using as internal upgrades in those products.

    As an example, DirecTV's HR21-700 and HR21-100 both use the Western Digital WD3200AVJS, whereas the HR21-200 and HR21Pro use the Seagate ST3320820SCE and ST3500830SCE, respectively.

    Of course, priority is given to drives that members are successfully using with a TiVo over an extended period. There is a bias toward low-noise drives.
     
  12. Jan 6, 2009 #2212 of 10248
    Mindflux

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    Alright I just dropped in a WD10EVCS to replace my THD's stock drive. I noticed last night while watching a recording that now and then the video would pause momentarily (it happened a few times).. like the drive couldn't keep up with a solitary recorded video stream.

    When I'd FF through commercials there'd be a point where the FF would stop, then start again in freaky fast mode.. often rocketing me past where I'd want to start viewing normally again.

    I used WinMFS on a Windows XP SP3 machine with two internal SATA cables. I did a truncated backup first, then I did mfscopy..that took about 20 minutes, I told it to expand the drive and then I supersized the drive (yes, I have 157 hours).

    I'll report back more on it tonight.. maybe it'll smooth out after a day or two?
     
  13. Jan 6, 2009 #2213 of 10248
    Softail95

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    Did you happen to notice if it was online to the internet (Blue front panel light on)? Mine seemed a little less responsive right after I powered it up, but I noticed that it was doing some web updating. It seems fine now though....
     
  14. Jan 6, 2009 #2214 of 10248
    Mindflux

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    I've only seen the blue light on the panel on if I'm using MRV and transfering from my S2 to my THD. Even if I force a connection to TiVo I can't say I've seen that light on.
     
  15. Jan 6, 2009 #2215 of 10248
    Softail95

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    If you subscribe to any 'tivocast' programming you can see it on when it's getting those. That's what mine was doing.
     
  16. Jan 6, 2009 #2216 of 10248
    Mindflux

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    Ah! I don't do any of that. :D
     
  17. Jan 6, 2009 #2217 of 10248
    Twich

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    An update... I removed my expander Sunday night and haven't had an issue with the Tivo restarting or freezing since. At least not that I'm aware. I RMA'd the WD Expander drive and the replacement drive has been shipped. Hopefully this new expander will last longer. If not I'll ditch the sucker and just get a larger internal drive from weaknees. Thanks for the input! Highly recommend divorcing your Tivo from the expander if you have issues similar to mine. Seems to have solved the problem. WD warranty return program is also very easy, so would highly recommend doing a warranty return if you are having problems like mine and your expander is still within the 1 year warranty.
     
  18. Jan 6, 2009 #2218 of 10248
    ccrider2

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    I've had that Seagate drive in my S3 box since the second half of November 2008, still seems OK...no problems yet. I don't know how long they need to co-exist before they are considered compatible. I had no problems with the original drive....just wanted one a little larger, and to get the original out to a safe location, before something did go South. I bought mine from DELL (OEM packaged). FWIW
    Might be nice if we had a page (WIKI) where users could list their "drive - firmware - TiVo Box - install date" info. I have no idea how to start this or I would.

    Good luck if you choose this model.....I did. :) :) :)
     
  19. Jan 6, 2009 #2219 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    This has nothing to do with the drive upgrade.

    This typically occurs when your cable provider inserts its own commercials with completely different encoding parameters from the program itself.
     
  20. Jan 6, 2009 #2220 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Thanks for the update. Seems that we're seeing more My DVR Expander drive failures these days. Guess it's been a little more than a year since they were introduced, but you'd think they would last a bit longer.

    In any case, glad you found the source of the problem and that things will get back to normal soon. :up:
     

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