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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 4, 2009 #2181 of 10248
    richsadams

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    The first post on this sticky thread has everything you need to know about upgrading your TiVo HD. (Section III, #30 covers internal upgrades.)

    Are you you interested in upgrading the internal hard drive in your TiVo HD? As mentioned, that's the way to go rather than adding an external drive. If you don't need to save your existing recordings and you're using winMFS you don't need to connect both drives at the same time. You'd connect your OEM drive to the PC to copy the OS image then you would connect the new drive to the PC, copy the image to it and do a couple of more steps to finish the upgrade. That will save all of your cable card settings, season passes, etc., just not any existing recordings. Put the new drive back in TiVo and the OEM hard drive on the shelf as a backup and you're all done.

    Yes, you could use an Antec MX-1 case, but you don't need to. You could simply use a USB/SATA Adapter like this one and save some money. Unless of course you need an external enclosure for some reason in which case the MX-1 is a very good choice. (I'm using one w/1TB drive for Time Machine on my iMac).

    If you want to save your current recordings you could try connecting both drives at the same time to copy everything over, but via USB it could take a long time. A better bet is to transfer the recordings to your Mac using TiVo Desktop and then back to TiVo after the upgrade.

    winMFS is quite easy to use. Just follow the directions on the first post or on the MFSLive web site and let us know if you have any more questions.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  2. Jan 4, 2009 #2182 of 10248
    ChickenCheese

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  3. Jan 4, 2009 #2183 of 10248
    richsadams

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    The drive BB is selling is the retail kit (RK) of the Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31000340AS. It comes from Seagate's newest "green" line of Barracuda drives (although you/TiVo wouldn't benefit from the green feature as the drive would never be idle).

    There were some issues with the 1.5TB model of that line of hard drives (which were addressed with a firmware update) but AFAIK none with smaller sizes such as the 1TB. (BTW the 1.5TB drives don't work with TiVo just yet.)

    The biggest note of caution would be noise. Seek acoustics are rated at 2.9 bels and drive manufacturers are inclined to claim the lowest possible test numbers so it may be higher in real world use. Seagate drive acoustics cannot be adjusted so you'd have to live with it. That stat isn't bad by comparison to some (3.7+ range) and if it's in a cabinet or far enough away that it won't bother you I don't see any reason it shouldn't work, but I don't recall anyone using that specific drive yet.

    As mentioned before I think Seagate makes some of the best hardware available. I've used Seagate's DB35 DVR dedicated line of drives which offer lower acoustics (2.7 bels) albeit at a higher price. Right now however I'm using Western Digital's AV GP line of drives (WD10EVCS 1TB). Acoustics are even better at 2.4 bels (quieter than TiVo's OEM drives). They work in both Series3's and TiVo HD's. If you have a TiVo HD you could also consider a WD10EACS and use the Hitachi Feature Tool to adjust the acoustics down to 128 (equal to the WD10EVCS). I've had one of those working 24/7 for over a year and it has been flawless. YMMV of course.

    The other recommended drives listed in the FAQ including Hitachi, etc. are a consideration of course and have a good track record.

    Probably more info than you wanted but there it is...I always like options. ;) Me? I'd pay another $5 and get the WD10EVCS.
     
  4. Jan 4, 2009 #2184 of 10248
    Bettamojo5

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    On 12/20/08 I upgraded my Tivo HD with a 1TB WD10EVCS. I ran a surface scan on the new drive and it reported No Bad Sectors. I used the sticky instructions with Winmfs and all went well. Tivo now shows as having 157 HD Hours or 1367 SD hours. I was happy and all was well. Today I simply changed the channel and things went black and then the powering up screen showed up followed by the almost there screen. After a few minutes, all was up and running again. The power did not go out at my house, because the lights and computer were all on too. Anything to be concerned about, or just a one time fluke?
     
  5. Jan 4, 2009 #2185 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Hmmm...sounds like a signal issue if it happened when you changed channels...likely nothing to do with your new drive. I'd check the signal status on that particular channel, see if there are any RS corrected or uncorrected errors, etc.

    I'd also check all of your connections to be sure they're snug.

    Do you have TiVo on a UPS? Even slight power interruptions, spikes, etc. can cause problems and it's a very good way of avoiding hard drive data corruption.

    Probably a one-time event, but checking on everything is always a good idea.
     
  6. Jan 4, 2009 #2186 of 10248
    Twich

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    I have TivoHD with the WD Expander for just over a year. It too has been freezing and randomly restarting over the last week. Sometimes during recorded shows, sometimes during Live TV. I've tried KickStart 54 - but the machine just freezes when I try to run the SMART Hard Drive Tests. So, I cant test the drives. I suspect that something is wrong with the Expander. In fact, I originally had an Expander for a week or two when I first bought the TivoHD and it crashed (wouldnt even start up) - so I returned it. This one has been working just shy of a year and given my past experience - I think its the culprit. I've already RMA'd the drive with WD and am waiting for the new one to arrive before sending my current one back. In no rush to loose all my programs, but this is very annoying. Any thoughts from anyone on my theories or similar experiences? Anyone else not able to run the Kickstart 54? I figure if the restarts continue once I've added the new Expander - then its likely the internal drive. Any help, thoughts, advice appreciated. Thanks.
     
  7. Jan 4, 2009 #2187 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Your analysis is very good. It does sound like a hard drive problem. The only other option would be to try replacing the eSATA cable. The recommended SIIG Serial ATA external cable is less than $10. (Might even be worth having for your new drive.) Otherwise I think you're doing the right thing.

    Before you install your new eSATA drive you will have to divorce the old one and of course you'll lose any recordings made since you installed it originally. If you have recordings you'd like to keep (and you can keep TiVo up and running long enough) you could transfer them to your computer w/TiVo Desk Top.

    Once you divorce your drive...and even before hooking up the new one, be sure to run TiVo without an external drive. If there's a problem it should manifest itself right away and then you can decide what to do next.

    Best of luck and let us know what happens.
     
  8. Jan 4, 2009 #2188 of 10248
    Twich

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    Thanks Rich. I did replace the SATA cable and that didnt solve my problem. Funny that you mentioned sending the programs to my TivoDesktop. Just was doing that earlier today - but those HD files sure are big! :) I sent some of the non-HD stuff to my to other series 2 Tivos. Quick follow-up question. Is there anyway to send the HD stuff that I'm gonna save of my PC (via TivoDesktop) back to my Tivo, once I have the new expander and everything is up and running? Really appreciate the quick reply. The restarting issue is driving my wife nuts. We love our Tivos, but she is about ready to through this one out the window. Hopefully the new WD drive arrives soon. Will probably just divorce the current one once I've transferred everything I can keep. Thanks again!!
     
  9. Jan 5, 2009 #2189 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Glad to help. You should be able to use TiVo Desktop to transfer files to and from your PC. TiVo Desktop Plus will also transfer other types of video files.

    Otherwise if you have a PC you can also use TiVoToGo or "TiVoBack" to transfer recordings (and other videos) to your TiVo. I think others are using PyTiVo and Mac users can supposedly use TiVoBack, but Roxio's Toast Titanium has an "official" program for that.

    Keep us posted!
     
  10. Jan 5, 2009 #2190 of 10248
    Softail95

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    I recently upgraded the internal drive in my HDTiVo using the procedure at the front of this FAQ and a WD10EVCS. I chose 'Yes' to Supersize the drive. The TiVo reports 142 Hours HD and 1241 Hours SD. It is running version 11.0-01-2-652. I have seen reports of more space and I'm wondering if everything went right... Attached is the MFSInfo of the drive after the copy/supersize. Did I get the most space possible?
     

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  11. Jan 5, 2009 #2191 of 10248
    Mindflux

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    This is someone with a WD10EACS, which for the most part is just like an EVCS.

    [​IMG]

    I think your hours are spot on for that drive? Each manufacturer varies a bit on what they call a gigabyte.
     
  12. Jan 5, 2009 #2192 of 10248
    dmbpj

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    I successfully installed a 750GB WD Green AV-GP drive in my Tivo HD this weekend. I jumped from 21 HD recording hours to 116 hours!
     
  13. Jan 5, 2009 #2193 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    With Supersize enabled on a 1TB drive, you should see 156-158 HD hours.

    Lately, we've seen a lot of users reporting 142 hours on their 1TB drive. It makes me wonder whether the "Supersize" function is broken in the latest version (v9.3) of the WinMFS software.

    Does anyone who upgraded with WinMFS v9.3 have ~157 HD hours on their 1TB drive? If so, what kind of backup did you do (software/settings only or software/settings/recordings)? And did you do anything different from the instructions in the first post?
     
  14. Jan 5, 2009 #2194 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I used the latest version of winMFS (including software settings and recordings) in early December on a 1TB drive in our Series3 and my info shows 157 HD and 1367 SD hours.

    The caveat is that I swapped out an early 1TB WD10EACS for a newer 1TB WD10EVCS and had no need to Supersize although IIRC I did click on it. The current info (157/1367) was already reported after v11.0 installed. So my data point doesn't exactly address the possibility of a broken Supersize function but I thought I'd add it in to validate the actual (larger) estimated recording figure report.

    [​IMG]
     
  15. Jan 5, 2009 #2195 of 10248
    Mindflux

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    The latest version is 9.3d. I wonder if it's broken, as said above? Or are you mistaken the 9.3a TiVo software with the WinMFS version?
     
  16. Jan 5, 2009 #2196 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I swapped drives in early December so I would have used the latest version of wimMFS (as it was after Nov. 16th).
     
  17. Jan 5, 2009 #2197 of 10248
    trussrules

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    I upgraded my Tivo HD with a 1 TB WD10EACS yesterday using the latest version of WinMFS (i'm not sure of the number but I downloaded it yesterday). I used the supersize function and ended up with 157HD hours and 1367 SD hours. I bought the drive from Amazon and it was manufactured in October. Perhaps Western Digital is doing something different with newer drives that they weren't doing before.
     
  18. Jan 5, 2009 #2198 of 10248
    Softail95

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    Did you Supersize manually after the copy, or just answer 'yes' to the supersize prompt after the copy was complete? I did the latter and got 142 Hours HD. I used version 9.3d of winMFS.
     
  19. Jan 5, 2009 #2199 of 10248
    Mindflux

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    That prompt is not a supersize prompt, afaik. That's an expand prompt (to expand your storage space to your new drive size). You have to go turn on SuperSize in the menu before or after your mfscopy operation.
     
  20. Jan 5, 2009 #2200 of 10248
    Softail95

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    Oh! Then I didn't Supersize at all..... Can I pull the drive and Supersize it now, after it has been in use?
     

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