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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Oct 31, 2007 #201 of 10248
    jlib

    jlib Lean Forward

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    Yes, you are correct. You can manually detune the head seek acoustics on the Deskstar using Hitachi Feature Tool and as far as the TiVo is concerned it is functionally equivalent to the Cinemastar. I also agree with C3 that the WD 1TB "Green" drive is currently the most ideal TiVo drive from a specification standpoint. But if you can get a significantly better price on the Deskstar it is also an acceptable and reliable TiVo upgrade drive.
     
  2. Oct 31, 2007 #202 of 10248
    gwsat

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    Yep, one of the first rules I learned about computers when I got involved with them in the mid ‘80s was, “No CPU is ever fast enough and no hard drive is ever big enough.” It appears that it’s just as true now as it was then.
     
  3. Oct 31, 2007 #203 of 10248
    richsadams

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    We have over 150 recordings w/750GB of space and the UI is as fast as ever on our S3.
     
  4. Oct 31, 2007 #204 of 10248
    richsadams

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    As long as everything is working well there's no need to rush things. Right now they are only delivering v9.2.j which is a trial version of the latest software. Historically final versions have had very little if any noticeable differences. So if all is well, waiting is fine.

    Your eSATA drive will be recognized automatically once you receive the upgrade...nothing to do on your part.
     
  5. Oct 31, 2007 #205 of 10248
    t001z

    t001z Man, Myth, Legend

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    I also just came here to report a similar issue with the extender that that I purchased last Wednesday. When I placed the order, it said it was IN STOCK and I went through the purchase process and everything was fine. Today, I had not received anything so I went to track it and it said it was backordered.

    I called Western Digital to find out what was going on and the person told me that their order screen shows that it is backordered and that means they "don't know whether they will be getting more in stock or if they are discontinued". I was then told that my order was going to be cancelled because they did not know if they would be getting these back in stock EVER. After pressing a little further, I was transfered to a supervisor and he told me that they "are working on a new model" but would not go any further.

    If you ordered one from a place that shows it as backordered or out of stock, don't expect to ever receive it. WD shows it as Out of Stock, Best Buy shows it Backordered and TiVo doesn't show availability.

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-rant follows=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
    With this being my 5th TiVo and being a happy TiVo customer for the last 6 years, this is the first time I am truly disappointed with the company. I am not blaming them for WD running out of stock or discontinuing the model so quickly, but I am p.o.'ed about this crap of only allowing "supported" drives. I do not like WD as a company and have never had good luck with their products, to be told the only way you can use a new feature is to buy this particular drive shows they are following a business model that essentially shows they are selling out to a single vendor for a business arrangement which can only involve a kickback to them.

    Now we cannot get the only drive that is supported (btw, I don't care about it being supported, upgrading our hard drives has never been supported before, but we did it at our own risk) and the manufacturer is saying that it may never be available again!!

    c'mon TiVo, don't cut the throats of your loyal customers, let us pay a small fee to "turn on" the eSATA port and stop this "supported drive" crap.
     
  6. Nov 1, 2007 #206 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Randy...you forgot [/rant]! ;) You didn't mention it, but I assume you're talking about adding an expansion drive to a TiVo HD? (S3's w/v9.2.j or higher are no problem of course.)

    In any case, it's obvious you've been around here for a while. You mentioned "unsupported" hard drive upgrades so I'm probably not suggesting anything you haven't already considered, but being the savvy guy you are you know that you still have the ability to add an eSATA drive, basically any eSATA drive to your THD or upgrade the internal HDD, or both right? It's not a plug and pray option, but it's not very difficult if you don't mind popping the case open and doing a quick bit of wizardry with your PC. With WinMFS it's a snap.

    I agree, it was dumb for them to limit the THD's to one expansion drive, (and I'd rather it be a Seagate) but I can also see it from their side and looking at the big picture can't really blame them. How they and WD have handled it is a bit appalling though...what a nightmare!

    That said, here's the "Bible" of eSATA drive options for both TiVo HD's and S3's:

    Official eSATA Drive Expansion: FAQ + Discussion (That's this thread - start at the beginning)

    Here's the link to the original thread/instructions for adding an "unsupported" eSATA drive to a TiVo HD:

    Tivo HD (TCD652160) eSATA Port is enabled now

    Here's the link for upgrading a TiVo HD's hard drive:

    Tivo HD Finally Upgraded

    So if "their" option isn't an option...well, you still have options. ;)
     
  7. Nov 1, 2007 #207 of 10248
    Brighton Line

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    I have a Maxtor Quickview Expander left over from my SA8300HD days, I connected it to my brand new Series 3 running 9.2J and it found the drive fine and I now have 67 hours of HD.

    The Expander's orange light is blinking 8 times and repeats, I found a very old post that says these means I should call the "service provider" which I belive is the "cable company" since this external drive was made for Cable DVR's.

    So far it is working without any issue other then the annoying blinking light which I am about to put tape over.

    Does anyone know if there is any issues with using this drive or the blinking light?

    TIA
     
  8. Nov 1, 2007 #208 of 10248
    opus472

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    And what do you do in the meantime, no Tivo?
     
  9. Nov 1, 2007 #209 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Weaknees actually sells the Maxtor Expander drives. You might want to contact them about it and see what they have to say...they're very friendly types.

    http://www.weaknees.com/contact.php

    BTW, congrats for being a pioneer with that one! :up:
     
  10. Nov 1, 2007 #210 of 10248
    thxman

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    Hey Rich . . . I liked your other picture better. It was a much better likeness! :D

    I am still without the 9.2 upgrade as I tried again this morning. I called Tivo again with no suggestions other than to fill out the priority request form again. I did but hopefully that won't put me at the back end of the Tivo queue, (it stinks back there!) :p
     
  11. Nov 1, 2007 #211 of 10248
    hkancyr

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    Got my TiVo expander hooked up on my THD. I followed the directions in the WD book and it worked. I had a blinking green light when I first plugged the TiVo back in, then I replugged it and got the solid green. 86 hours HD 810 SD, that should be sufficient.
    P.S. re: restarting the TiVo, after you mount the expander it reboots anyhow, so if you do it the approved way it restarts twice, once for the plug once for the reboot.
     
  12. Nov 1, 2007 #212 of 10248
    richsadams

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    That's pretty strange. IIRC they only download the Priority Page info 1x/day...but it's been a week now. :confused: Well, I guess it hasn't been 7 business days...but still.

    Oh, that's just a picture of my evil twin...I'm really much better looking! :D
     
  13. Nov 1, 2007 #213 of 10248
    thxman

    thxman Advanced Member

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    Success! I'm happy to report that the additional request must have done something because I recv'd an email from Tivo stating that I had my download waiting. I installed not problems and added the WD My DVR drive without a hitch (very smooth process)! 98 hours of beautiful HD space... Life is good!! Thanks also for the tip about unplugging the S3, as the power-up detected the drive right away.

    Thanks again Rich!

    Kevin
     
  14. Nov 2, 2007 #214 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Phew! About time eh? As we like to say...enjoy the new real estate! :)
     
  15. Nov 2, 2007 #215 of 10248
    Dave in Phoenix

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  16. Nov 2, 2007 #216 of 10248
    rrg

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    Thanks.

    So you would still prefer the WD despite the fact that (according to the FAQ) it's neither "intended for DVRs" nor "certified for 24/7 use"?

    Is this the "WD 1 TB Green" drive that's mentioned elsewhere in this forum?
     
  17. Nov 2, 2007 #217 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Yes.

    It isn't sold as a DVR drive, but it seems to be working well for many forum members, which is why I added it to the list.
     
  18. Nov 2, 2007 #218 of 10248
    HDTiVo

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    I have been trying to get a TiVo HD to boot using Buffalo DriveStation Quattro connected to the eSata port. The DriveStation is the only drive and is ultimately connected to the internal SATA port on the MBD.

    I've been able to use the same cabling to boot using a bare SATA drive...thus I don't think the cabling is the problem. I've also used the DriveStation on the PC (via USB-SATA adapter) to confirm its eSata port is working.

    I've tried the DriveStation both in RAID 5 and JBOD modes ...

    The TiVo HD only gets to the initial powering up screen, then repeats every couple minutes. There are a couple brief disk accesses during the process. No GSOD.

    The DriveStation's eSATA port is a SATA 1 device and it actually uses 4 PATA drives internally. So I am wondering if the TiVo HD detects whether its drive(s) interfaces are SATA II and rejects them, and/or whether there is a speed/timing issue that trips it up.

    Any ideas for getting this to work?
     
  19. Nov 2, 2007 #219 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    As per the first post, if you want to add something other than the Western Digital My DVR Expander to the TivoHD, you'll have to marry the internal drive and eSATA drive using WinMFS.

    Or are you saying that it does not work, even after you married the two with WinMFS?
     
  20. Nov 2, 2007 #220 of 10248
    richsadams

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    It's probably a contamination issue...all of that blood can gum up the works when you're that far out on the edge. :D
     

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