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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Dec 13, 2008 #2061 of 10248
    Mindflux

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    I apologize for asking this. I've got a TivoHD that I'd like to add an eSATA drive to. The first page mentions the WD "My DVR" is the only "PNP" unit without 'Hacking' the Tivo. But when I go to the Chapter III Part #10 it's discussing hacking the internal hard drive... so I'm a bit confused here.

    Can anyone provide me some more info please?
     
  2. Dec 13, 2008 #2062 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    The TivoHD's "plug and play" eSATA support only works with the Western Digital My DVR Expander, and it only works with when you are using the original TiVo drive.

    If you to upgrade the internal drive or use a different external drive (or both), then you have to "hack" using the instructions in section III and IV.
     
  3. Dec 13, 2008 #2063 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    As mentioned above, 157 HD hours is what you get with MfsSuperSize and 142 hours is what you get without MfsSuperSize.
     
  4. Dec 13, 2008 #2064 of 10248
    Mindflux

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    Ok. I wanted to put together my own external. I guess that's a drag I'd have to 'hack' the unit.

    Has anyone used the WD My DVR expander enclosure with a larger hard drive by chance? I'm assuming Tivo only wrote compatibility with that device enclosure (and not the particular hard drive, as WD might change it at any given time).
     
  5. Dec 13, 2008 #2065 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    From the FAQ:

    If you are going to open your TiVo to use unsupported storage, then you might as well upgrade the internal drive.
     
  6. Dec 13, 2008 #2066 of 10248
    nrken99

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    When my Series 3 hard drive failed, Tivo sent me a new (refurb) unit. My approved WD expander had worked fine with the old unit, but cannot be activated with the new one. I’ve gone through the proper procedure several times, even giving the system over six hours to reformat the WD, all to no avail. Tivo customer service has been unable to help, and now says the expander must be bad. It is out of warranty, and WD customer service seems impossible to get. Does anybody have a suggestion?

    (Sorry if I've posted this in the wrong place.)
     
  7. Dec 13, 2008 #2067 of 10248
    MapleLeaf

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    Cool, thanks. You might want to amend the FAQ slightly to indicate that, as the FAQ didn't make any mention (at least, that I saw) of the SuperSize option and only stated that I should be getting 157 HD hours. Also note the discrepancy with my non-SuperSize S3 unit, which reported 143 HD hours.
     
  8. Dec 13, 2008 #2068 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    Thanks, I updated the FAQ as per your suggestion.
     
  9. Dec 18, 2008 #2069 of 10248
    GlenH100

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    Fantom (Micronet) puts a tamper seal over the case screws, so removing the drive from the case may not be an option. One should be able to run the Feature Tool on the drive while it's in the case. I think the mention on the Feature Tool page stating that it doesn't work with external drives applies to USB drives, not eSATA.

    I would test this myself, but I just installed my GreenDrive an hour or so ago and had to use the eSATA to SATA cable from my TiVo HD to connect the drive to my PC and I don't want to tear the TiVo apart again. I'll order up a SATA to eSATA cable so that I can try it later.

    BTW, the Fantom GD1000EU (WD10EACS inside) is still on sale at MacMall/PCMall/ClubMac/OnSale (all the same company) for $89.99 after rebate ($129.99 less two $20 rebates). They have been playing around with their UPS shipping offer the past month or so. Today it's free on orders over $99; it was $2.99 the other day when I bought it.

    As other posters have mentioned, this drive does not include an eSATA cable. I found one on eBay for about $6 delivered.

    --Glen
     
  10. Dec 18, 2008 #2070 of 10248
    Mindflux

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    Thanks. I was looking at a 1TB Green.. that's a pretty nice deal.
     
  11. Dec 18, 2008 #2071 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Especially for those of us that paid $260 or more for the same drive a little over a year ago. :mad: ;)
     
  12. Dec 18, 2008 #2072 of 10248
    Mindflux

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    Quit chasing technology!
    :eek:
     
  13. Dec 18, 2008 #2073 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Oh, where's the fun in that?! :D
     
  14. Dec 18, 2008 #2074 of 10248
    GlenH100

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    Not to mention that it comes with an external case. The drive runs quite cool, even without a fan.

    --Glen
     
  15. Dec 18, 2008 #2075 of 10248
    Mindflux

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    That drive is one that's known to work in the TiVo with no problems right? I was reading about a few drives that would cause the TiVo to 'GSOD' on startup because the drive wasn't in a ready state when the TiVo wanted it?
     
  16. Dec 19, 2008 #2076 of 10248
    GlenH100

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    Some versions of the WD10EACS are reported to have problems when installed in the S3 box. From what I have read in this thread and others is that all versions work when installed in an external enclosure or in the TiVo HD.

    The drive in my Fantom GreenDrive GD1000EU is identified by the TiVo as WD10EACS-22D6B0.

    I also have a Fantom G-Force GF1000EU attached to my computer. It has the same WDC drive as the GreenDrive model. The only differences I can tell are the pilot LED, which is green on the GD model and blue on the GF, and the silkscreen model name on the case. However, this may not hold for all of these drives, as a previous poster states that Micronet told him that they use drives from several sources in their products.

    --Glen
     
  17. Dec 19, 2008 #2077 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Glenn is correct, the WD10EACS works as an expansion drive for both TiVo Series3 and TiVo HD. A bare WD10EACS drive will work as an internal hard drive upgrade in a TiVo HD, however it will NOT work as an internal hard drive upgrade in a TiVo Series3 due to a soft reboot problem.
     
  18. Dec 19, 2008 #2078 of 10248
    amarand

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    Hello all!

    First, I've read the FAQ - it's huge, informative and was a good read. I've also browsed through the 70 pages worth of messages, to get a feel for the questions being asked, and the answers being given.

    Second, I'm a Linux/UNIX Support Engineer, have upgraded and hacked three or four of the older systems (S1, S2 and S2DT) for myself and others - no complaints yet. I know my way around a Linux Live CD, and am only concerned that I have enough (e)SATA connectors in my system...time will tell.

    Details: I have a TiVo HD coming in, obviously I didn't purchase the XL because that's insane. The HD was $250, so not a bad deal, and the eSATA hard drive I picked up (Seagate FreeAgent XTreme ST310005FPA2E3-RK 1TB 7200 RPM Black External Hard Drive - Retail) is reported to run both cool and quiet - but time will tell. It also has a five year warranty (I heard that Seagate is backing the warranty off to three years effective 2009?) which I like. If all of this stuff fails to work, I won't have lost anything, as I intend to bring things together as soon as the system is activated and the software is updated. I read about the hard versus soft switches, did a little digging and I have no idea which it has, but I also picked up a decent UPS with AVR, so that should do the trick for most short-term power issues.

    And now the question: Given that all of this stuff is new, fresh out of the box, which of the following is the most recommended? (Assuming that I will not return any of the items, and will end up using the 1TB drive on one of my systems for some purpose if the TiVo-expansion-thing just doesn't work out.)

    1) Take the drive out of the Seagate enclosure and immediately copy the contents of the virginal TiVo-drive, using the tools outlined in the FAQ, to the new Seagate bare drive - placing the original drive in a safe place "just in case," and replacing the internal drive with the new 1TB drive.

    2) Take the drive out of the Seagate enclosure, wait until the TiVo has initialized, activated, updated and performed a guide download prior to copying the contents of the not-so-virginal TiVo-drive to the Seagate bare drive - placing the original drive in a safe place "just in case," and replacing the internal drive with the new 1TB drive.

    3) Perform the drive marrying procedure virginal.

    4) Perform the drive marrying post activation.

    I guess the two questions boil down to:

    1) Should I use the Seagate drive externally or internally? Using it internally seems like a waste of a pretty sweet enclosure, but I'm getting the feeling that maybe this would be more reliable?

    2) Does it matter if I do the work before or after the TiVo is set-up?

    Whew...long message, hope these questions weren't addressed elsewhere in detail. :)

    Thanks,

    --Amarand

    P.S. I love TiVo! <3

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    On a side note, this happened yesterday when I went to upgrade to HD:

    Cable Company: Why would you want to use a Cable Card? You'll lose access to Pay Per View, the guide data and all sorts of other features!

    Me: Uh, well, I use TiVo, and it has most of those things already, yet somehow better....

    Cable Company: But wouldn't you rather have it all bundled in one unit? I had a Cable Card before and I returned it because it didn't do all the things I wanted it to do.

    Me: (*Thinking*: Yeah, a Cable Card is pretty useless by itself...) Well, I've heard good things about Cable Cards when used with the TiVo HD so I'll be sticking with that technology. Plus, it's one less box, right?

    Wow...I mean, are they pushing their extra services or what? I had a cable company DVR once (and a satellite DVR too!) and it was the saddest experience in my life. Well, not really. But it was pretty sad. :)
     
  19. Dec 19, 2008 #2079 of 10248
    moxie1617

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    I would wait until the firmware updates to the current version and then do as bkdtv recommends.
     
  20. Dec 19, 2008 #2080 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    You do take a risk when you buy an external drive like that, with an unknown drive inside. We've seen with the TiVo Series3 that some drives will not work as internal drive replacements. For whatever reason, they're just not compatible. We've also seen that some external drives will not work reliably, if at all.

    I did a forum search on the Seagate FreeAgent XTreme ST310005FPA2E3-RK, and did not get any hits, so you may be the first to try that product (and/or its bare drive) with the TiVo.

    More than likely, it will work, as incompatible drives seem to be the exception. But there's always the possibility that you will be be SOL if you remove the drive, find it doesn't work, and then can't return it.

    I would wait until your CableCards are activated -- if you plan to get CableCards soon -- but waiting for software updates isn't necessary, as your box will get the latest software regardless. It can't hurt though.
     

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