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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

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    jsinga

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    jlib

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    But wait, it gets better than that. Use the live.com ad link to Tiger Direct for an extra 15% off. Its limbo time. How low can you go?
     
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    ThAbtO

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    Here are all the available coupon offers for Tigerdirect.com
     
  4. Dec 11, 2008 #2044 of 10284
    lrhorer

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    I don't for a moment doubt the veracity of these forum members, but man, is that weird! Admittedly, it is nearly as weird that the Hitachi Deskstar 500G drives won't work as a primary drive for the TiVo HD, and I ran into that one myself. The truly bizarre thing is the TiVo kernel is mostly just a stock Linux kernel. It's genuinely schizoid that some drives will work while others won't.

    And that's just truly goofy. It works until the first soft reboot. It works as long as one doesn't boot from it. 'Unbelievable.
     
  5. Dec 11, 2008 #2045 of 10284
    wedenton

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    I've ordered drives from TigerDirect before with no problems, but the 2 drives I bought on Black Friday were not packaged well for shipping. They were shipped separately, and each arrived in a pink cardboard box with no cushion or packing material whatsoever other than a crumpled up piece of brown paper. The drives were sliding around in the box. One was DOA, and I'm still running diagnostics on the other. I think the pink boxes were part of their breast cancer campaign, and maybe they are doing a better job of packing drives now, but I'm not going to risk buying drives from them again. YMMV.
     
  6. Dec 11, 2008 #2046 of 10284
    jlib

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    Indeed. It made no sense to me either (I can personally verify it is true, though). Since it works perfectly well otherwise, it is not so bad on a practical level if one is aware of the time frame for software upgrades (just have to check for the pending restart message every night during update season).
     
  7. Dec 11, 2008 #2047 of 10284
    bkdtv

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    I added a fourth section to the FAQ, "Unsupported Internal Drive Upgrades."

    This new section is still a work in progress.
     
  8. Dec 11, 2008 #2048 of 10284
    Teeps

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    Thanks for the tip.
    Have you used this utility on the Fantom drive?
    I was reading the Feature Tool User's Guide (imagine that) and it says this does not work on external drives.
    I don't mind trying but if there is no chance it will work, I'll pass.
     
  9. Dec 11, 2008 #2049 of 10284
    greg_burns

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    Can you remove the drive from the enclosure?
     
  10. Dec 12, 2008 #2050 of 10284
    bareyb

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    I gotta tell you bktv, you are a master at explaining how to do things. Truly gifted. Your work will live on here for a long time to come. I sure wish you'd go over to the TTG forums and help those Unix guys write up a decent FAQ! They seriously need your talents over there! :D

    I see someone finally changed the name of the thread to something that reflects internal HDD upgrades. Excellent. That'll save Rich and a few others around here the trouble of pointing people to your FAQ. :D
     
  11. Dec 12, 2008 #2051 of 10284
    brucem5755

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    I also upgraded using the WD10EACS, the instructions in this forum, and WinMFS 9.3 to perform the copy. My Tivo HD also shows 142HD and 1241SD hours of recording capability. From the description you gave, it sounds like we both used the software in the same manner... the software detected the extra space at the end of the copy process and asked if it should run MFSADD for me. I selected yes, and then followed to turn on the supersize.

    My TIVO also appears to function correctly, although the storage numbers are less than others are reporting. I am curious where the difference lies ..
     
  12. Dec 12, 2008 #2052 of 10284
    bkdtv

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    It sounds like Tools-> MfsSuperSize -> On never took effect.
     
  13. Dec 12, 2008 #2053 of 10284
    Cheezmo

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    What didn't work and what did...

    Tivo purchased from Weaknees with 250Gb drive.
    Upgrading to 1 Tb.
    Didn't want to mess with cable cards so did not do a Clear & Delete before hand, but did delete all but 5 or 6 shows.

    What didn't work.
    Using WinMFS to do a backup, then restoring it to the new drive. Even with out changing the size, this resulted in a green screen reboot cycle.

    What did work.
    Using WinMFS' MFSCopy command to copy the drive, testing that it worked, then using WinMFS' MfsAdd command to expand the drive. Filled it all the way to where it was having to delete old shows, no problems. Did not try supersize.

    I was a bit disappointed that I wasn't able to make a usable compact backup, but at least I still have the original drive to go back to in case of issues.
     
  14. Dec 13, 2008 #2054 of 10284
    ajcowell

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    Not sure if this is a common issue (my search didn't turn up much but I might have just used the wrong terms). I upgraded my THD with a 1GB drive. All works fine - the only issue I've had is trying to reattach my WD DVR Expander. The THD sees the drive, and asks if I want to use it (YES), goes through the reboot cycle but comes up without it being attached. It then asks if I would like to use the external drive, and on and on. I did read someone say it can take a few reboots but after doing it continually for an hour now, I see this just isn't going to work. I've check the cabling and all seems fine. It worked great prior to the drive upgrade. Any ideas?? Thanks.
     
  15. Dec 13, 2008 #2055 of 10284
    ajcowell

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    Count me in as another that has exactly the same figures as you quote below (I also ran supersize). Perhaps there is an issue with WinMFS with these drives? Seems unusual but...oh, and this is with running the OS11 update.

     
  16. Dec 13, 2008 #2056 of 10284
    greg_burns

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    Once you upgrade your internal drive you cannot attach an external drive via plug-n-play anymore. You must marry the two drives together using WinMFS.
     
  17. Dec 13, 2008 #2057 of 10284
    ajcowell

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    Thanks, I kinda guessed that might be the answer. And I thought I was being smart by buying a SATA-USB dock with my drive...I guess I better wander through the thread and see what adapter people suggest. Thanks again for the quick reply.

     
  18. Dec 13, 2008 #2058 of 10284
    ajcowell

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    Mmm, noticed this link:

    http://www.instructables.com/id/Disassembling-a-Western-Digital-My-Book

    So, as I've got an old My Book (broken) to play with, I'm going to try and see how difficult it is to pull the drive, put it in my SATA dock and do the marrying. Course, the proof in the pudding is whether it'll boot after I put it all back together again....

    I wonder if I can just drop another 1TB drive in there and have a 1TB expander? I think I read something about Tivo not recognizing that much space. Will need to do some more reading.

     
  19. Dec 13, 2008 #2059 of 10284
    ajcowell

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    Ah, amazing what you find out when you read the FAQ in detail, looks like it is the actual drive in the expander that is approved, nothing to do with the enclosure. I did extract the drive from the Expander, use MFS to add it to the 1TB internal and checked supersize (was having some issues matching some of the capacity numbers mentioned in the thread). Now I'm up to 237 HD, 2072 SD. Now if there was just something interesting on TV!

    :)

     
  20. Dec 13, 2008 #2060 of 10284
    MapleLeaf

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    I have 2 THD's and 1 S3, each upgraded internally using either a WD10EACS or a WD10EVCS, and none of them reports 157 HD hours. All were upgraded using the latest version of WinMFS that was available at the time I performed the upgrade. To the best of my recollection, I did not run mfsadd/supersize on any of them. Here are the numbers being reported under v11.0 of the software (under v9.4, they all reported 131 HD hours).

    THD #1: WD10EACS, 142 HD hours, 1241 SD hours, upgraded November 2007

    S3: WD10EVCS, 143 HD hours, 1244 SD hours, upgraded July 2008

    THD #2: WD10EVCS: 142 HD hours, 1241 SD hours, upgraded December 2008
     

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