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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Nov 30, 2008 #2001 of 10248
    TheGrossman

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    Hello everyone...quick question for you,
    I know that you can only use a plug-n-play e-sata drive if you have an UNMODIFIED internal drive in a series3 tivo, but does replacing the original drive with a different brand drive with a larger cache (Seagate DB35 for example) OF THE SAME SIZE (250GB) and using WinMFS to copy EVERYTHING over make it a MODIFIED tivo or UNMODIFIED?
    Thanks!!
     
  2. Dec 1, 2008 #2002 of 10248
    richsadams

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    It makes it modified. TiVo recognizes drives by their model number; size is meaningless (at least in this case ;) ). You'll need to marry the eSATA drive during the winMFS process with your new drive...quite easy, just follow the directions.

    Why only a 250GB replacement? Keep in mind that if you want to upgrade to a larger drive later that you'll lose all of your recordings (again). 1TB drives for your Series3 like the recommended WD10EVCS are <$130 or so now. I'd try and swing as large a drive as you can afford to avoid disappointment and regret in the future.
     
  3. Dec 2, 2008 #2003 of 10248
    TheGrossman

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    Thanks Rich!
    Since the 250GB drive makes it modified I probably will go for a larger drive. If I go with a Terabyte drive I could probably get by without my external drive and use it for extra storage with my computer instead. Has anyone tried out Seagates new pipeline HD drives? I think that its part number is ST31000533CS. It sounds good although some places list it as being a 5900rpm drive and some as a 7200rpm drive.
    Thanks.
     
  4. Dec 2, 2008 #2004 of 10248
    myblubu

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    I found something similar regarding the WD10EACS - some sites listed it as 5400 and some as 7200. When I checked Western Digital's site, under speed it didn't list a number but "IntelliPower - A fine-tuned balance of spin speed, transfer rate and caching algorithms designed to deliver both significant power savings and solid performance."

    So my guess is the drive has a variable speed controlled by firmware.
     
  5. Dec 2, 2008 #2005 of 10248
    richsadams

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    That's exactly what I did when I upgraded our Series3 over a year ago...took my Seagate DB35 out of the MX-1 enclosure and slipped into one of my PC's. Still working like a charm. IIRC there is a post here somewhere about the new Seagate Pipeline drive. Not sure what it said, but I don't recall there being any problems using it. YMMV of course.

    Hard drive speeds do not affect TiVo; 5400 RPM drives are what they come with and faster drives don't equate to better performance due to TiVo's architecture.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  6. Dec 2, 2008 #2006 of 10248
    richsadams

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  7. Dec 3, 2008 #2007 of 10248
    Bettamojo5

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    I had an upgrade failure and don't know what happened. I bought a Samsung 1TB HD103UI from Newegg.com. From looking on this forum and online several people have done successful upgrades with this drive. I ran the ESTool from Samsung on the new drive and it passed all tests including a 5 hour surface san. I used WinMFS Beta Build 9.3
    I took the 160GB drive from my Tivo HD and selected it as the source drive and made the Samsung drive the destination. I did a backup of the 160GB drive from my Tivo to my PC hard drive. I then used Mfscopy to copy the Tivo drive contents over to the new drive. This took about 45 minutes and at the end it reported that I had extra space and asked if I wanted to expand. I said yes and got a Windows must close WinMFS because of an error. I installed the new Samsung drive in m Tivo and got stuck on the screen that says powering up. I put the drive back in the PC and used WinMFS to delete format the new drive and I ran Mfscopy again and got the same error message. I checked the WinMFS site and found someone had the same problem and it said to answer no when asked if I want to expand. Then run Mfsadd and then turn on MfsSupersize. I did this and everything completed as it should. I installed the new drive in my Tivo HD and powered on. I got the powering up screen and then the Almost there a few more minutes screen. Then the screen went black instead of playing the Tivo into video. After several minutes it went to live TV. I pushed the Tivo button on the remote and got the Tivo Central screen, but it was black with the options in white letters. I clicked Now Playing and my programs showed up, but when I tried to play them I got a message saying. Tivo HD was not able to record this program because there was no video signal on the channel. I also was not able to connect to Tivo through my network as the original drive did. I repeated the copy process one more time with the same results. At that point I put the original drive back in the Tivo and everything seemed fine until I tried to play my recording. I got the message saying Tivo HD was not able to record this program because there was no video signal on the channel. So, I lost all my recordings, and the new drive did not work. My Tivo is connecting to the network and recording OK with the original drive. Just to be sure, I ran the EStool on the Samsung HD103UI 1TB drive again, and it reported no errors. Major disappointment. Any hints or suggestions on what went wrong?
     
  8. Dec 3, 2008 #2008 of 10248
    jlib

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    Though there are inconsistent reports of problems with that drive your description seems more catastrophic than the typical hard boot problem. I wish I had a suggestion for you other than getting a different drive. If you have more time than money you could try using the alternate method of copying by using the MFS Live Linux boot CD. Maybe someone else will have something more helpful to say?
     
  9. Dec 3, 2008 #2009 of 10248
    bareyb

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    Nothing to add. Bummer. If you really want to give the Samsung another go, you could try doing a simple "Truncated Backup" from your original drive and forget about trying to get anything else. It's a much simpler process and you'll have all your SP's and settings intact. Including your cable card pairing information.

    If this were ME, I'd buy the best drive I could find with the least reported problems. The WD ECVS drives seem to be working well for people and are fairly cheap and have a 16 meg buffer. I've had great luck with Hitachi drives (Cinemastar and Deskstar) and they have a 32 meg buffer but cost about 30 bucks more than the WD.

    Good luck. I'm sure you'll get it worked out. Sounds like you had a major error in the first process and something has gotten corrupted. Either start over with a Truncated backup and restore or try a new drive. That's about all you can do. :(
     
  10. Dec 3, 2008 #2010 of 10248
    greg_burns

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    This is where I am confused. How did you loose the recordings on your original drive? Some step must have been done incorrectly to cause that to happen, right?

    A truncated backup and restore sounds like the best thing to try at this point. Sounds like you already made the backup on your PC's Windows partition. Just restore that to the new drive.
     
  11. Dec 4, 2008 #2011 of 10248
    myblubu

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    I did my internal Hard Disk upgrade for my Tivo HD yesterday using the WD10EACS using the instructions in this forum. I used the Hatachi tool to set the acustics and WinMFS 9.3 to perform the copy. It looks like some of the improvements in WinMFS may have combined a few of the steps in the instructions in the forum, so I'm just curious if I got the right results. When I put the new drive in my Tivo HD, it works and shows 142HD and 1241SD hours of recording capability - I thought the numbers should have been 144 and 1360. Did I miss something along the way?
     
  12. Dec 5, 2008 #2012 of 10248
    richsadams

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    That's a first AFAIK. :confused: S/b 144 HD and 1368 SD hours if you Supersized or IIRC 131/1241 if you didn't. I've no idea why yours would be any different, but thanks for the data point.

    If it's working fine you could leave it...but the variance in the SD hours is really confusing...looks like nothing happend there but it makes no sense that the HD hours would increase (although not as expected) but not the SD hours. Or you could start over again and follow the instructions carefully to see what happens again.

    Keep us posted!
     
  13. Dec 5, 2008 #2013 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Another forum member had recent problems with his Samsung (posted here). Not sure what model, etc. but it might be that these drives are to be avoided for now.
     
  14. Dec 5, 2008 #2014 of 10248
    nigebj

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    It really sounds like something screwed the original drive (hence your lost recordings). If you did a backup before you did anything else, you should be able to restore to the new drive (I'm one of the people who did not have luck with the Spinpoint - but nowhere near this scale of problem). Another avenue to pursue. Otherwise, get the WD EVCS - great drive (sorry, but I'm very pleased to have left the Sammy behind now).
     
  15. Dec 5, 2008 #2015 of 10248
    myblubu

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    Thanks for the reply!

    The new drive is installed and working fine so I think I'm going to just let it go. There was one point in the instructions which called for either Msadd or Supersize (I can't remember which) but the software indicated it was doing that automatically after a previous step - I kept wondering if I should have did the command anyway, but didn't. Maybe that's what happened? Anyway, I'm pleased with what I have.
     
  16. Dec 5, 2008 #2016 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Sounds good, but I'm betting some brighter minds will come up with the reason for what you're seeing. Enjoy!
     
  17. Dec 5, 2008 #2017 of 10248
    spidermojo

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    I married up wd mybook 500gb external sata drive following the instructions on the FAQ but whenever I tried to hook it up, the tivo would just keep rebooting over and over again.

    At first I thought it was the SATA cable and after messing around with it about 20 times I had some success.

    But the issue is not the cable. The issue is that the mybook drive automatically shuts down. So during boot up, as stated in the FAQ it needs to be spun up or it doesn't work.

    So what I do is during boot up of the tivo, everytime the drive shuts down, I just pull out and insert the power cord to keep it spinning. You keep doing this until you get a light on the mybook drive and you are good.
     
  18. Dec 5, 2008 #2018 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum. :up: Sorry it's under unfortunate circumstances. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but as noted in Section III, #6 of the first post of this thread, the eSATA drive you are trying to use does not work with TiVo. There is speculation as to why; most of it centering on the bridge that WD uses.

    Although you seem to have managed to get it to work your system will ultimately fail on a soft reboot whenever there is a software upgrade.

    If it turns out that the drive is not that particular model, there is something wrong with it and the above-mentioned failure will occur either way.

    Hopefully you saved the packaging and can return it for one of the recommended models listed on that post.
     
  19. Dec 5, 2008 #2019 of 10248
    rgr

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    Apologies if this has been asked and answered, but here goes: I previously upgraded my S3 with a 500g drive using mfslive and have purchased a WD10EVCS drive t replace the 500g drive. Will there be a problem doing the copy using winmfs? I see on the mfslive.org site that using mfslive there is a problem upgrading an upgrade, but can't see any reference as to whether winmfs has the same problem. I think doing a truncated copy works in either case, but I want to copy existing recordings.

    Also, will deleting my deleteds permanently reduce the copy time or is the copy bit for bit?

    Thanks.
    [Ignore post - see next post]
     
  20. Dec 6, 2008 #2020 of 10248
    rgr

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    Ok, ignore my previous post, I only had a couple of shows, which I transferred to my pc, then I did a truncated copy using the instructions in #29 of the first page of this topic.

    Worked like a charm, but here is the bizarro thing - when the S3 restarted after the update (including the supersize) it said it was doing a service update and rebooted, then it said it was applying the service update and restarted fine, but was now using software version 11 and has 157 HD hours and 1367 SD hours for recording capacity. Does that sound right? I would have thought it would have 144 HD. Or does the updated software have a greater compression ratio?
     

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