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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Nov 25, 2008 #1981 of 10248
    jlib

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    Read it as: "Do not select Drive B as the original drive."
     
  2. Nov 26, 2008 #1982 of 10248
    myblubu

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    Makes sense. Thanks!
     
  3. Nov 26, 2008 #1983 of 10248
    bareyb

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    By the way. I wanted to do a "shout out" to bkdtv for taking the time to put together this FAQ. You made this so easy and you've provided a great service to the community. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you! I am SO glad I know how to do this stuff now. It really gives me some great peace of mind. :):up:
     
  4. Nov 26, 2008 #1984 of 10248
    alluu

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    Sorry if this has been answered before. I read the FAQ but am still unclear as to whether this can currently be done.

    I have a S3 with the original HD and a 750 GB eSATA drive (MX-1 and Seagate HD) attached. This has been working flawlessly for the past year. I am looking to add more storage.

    I would like to have the ability to transfer over my recorded shows. Can I upgrade both the internal HD to 1 TB and the external drive to 1 TB and transfer over my recorded shows? Based upon FAQ 17 and 18, it sounds like this is doable if I am expanding both drives. If I am reading FAQ 15 correctly, that only applies if I am looking to backup both drives to one larger drive. Correct?

    Worse case scenario if I can't do the above, I guess I could just upgrade my external drive to 1.5 TB. The positive to this is that I would leave the original HD intact.
     
  5. Nov 26, 2008 #1985 of 10248
    Fofer

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    What's a good price on a 1.5 TB? What's the largest capacity out there?
     
  6. Nov 27, 2008 #1986 of 10248
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    Everyone should be aware that TiVo Series3 and TiVo HD capacity is limited to 2TB and 2.2TB respectively. (IIRC it has to do with the partition size limits and/or the Linux kernel in v9.4) Anything above that would require hardware RAID. In addition AFAIK no one here has had success with a 1.5TB internal upgrade of any sort although I think someone here does have a 1.5TB eSATA connected to a TiVo with an OEM internal drive.

    Plus there are less than stellar reviews (here and here) of Seagate's 1.5TB hard drives to date. 1TB drives (internal and/or external) would still be the order of the day for TiVo.

    That said, for anyone wanting to experiment Newegg has 1.5TB Seagates for $119.99 including shipping right now.

    EDIT: It appears that Seagate is addressing the problems their 1.5TB drives had with a firmware update. More here.
     
  7. Nov 27, 2008 #1987 of 10248
    txporter

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    Rich has already answered the question about upgrading the internal and external drives, but I think you were also asking whether there is a way to copy the info from your two current drives (internal + external) to new drives. Currently, I don't believe there is a way to copy your programming from a two drive system unless you were to download all of your shows to a PC/Mac. MFSCOPY works well for a single drive to a single drive, but I don't believe it works for two.

    Jason
     
  8. Nov 27, 2008 #1988 of 10248
    ajburgh

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    Has that changed? The FAQ in the first post says that only the TivoHD allows disk sizes IN EXCESS of 2.2TB, the series 3 is limited to 2.2TB max.
     
  9. Nov 27, 2008 #1989 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I've been following this thread on the mfsLive forum and there's still some back-and-forth, but as best as I can determine Spike is saying that anything above 2.2TB requires RAID. See what you think.
     
  10. Nov 27, 2008 #1990 of 10248
    ajburgh

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    I think that's more because there was (is) no other way to do it. There simply weren't any drives (and still aren't) that are bigger than 2.2TB. The RAID looks like a single big drive to the TIVO, so if someone came out with a 3TB drive I'm pretty sure it would work on the TivoHD. I'll let you know for sure in a couple of years. ;) :D
     
  11. Nov 27, 2008 #1991 of 10248
    alluu

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    Has anyone tried this? I may just upgrade my external drive from 750 GB to 1 TB if 1.5 TB is having issues.

    Can I backup the recordings on my eSATA drive and restore it to an eSATA drive of larger size?

    This should be possible, but it is untested. As indicated in the previous FAQ, you would backup the contents of the old drive to the new drive using the dd or dd_rescue commands. Once you've done that, you would use mfsadd to enable the extra capacity on that drive. Credit to spike2k5 for this answer.
     
  12. Nov 27, 2008 #1992 of 10248
    Lenonn

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    Tom's Hardware has an article on the 1.5TB issues.

    BTW, I am thinking of removing the hard drives in my Series 3 and TiVo HD and putting in 1 TB drives. The WD10EVCS drives look good. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that drive will work in both the HD and Series 3 TiVos?
     
  13. Nov 27, 2008 #1993 of 10248
    richsadams

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    You are correct sir! :up: Several folks here (including our friend Greg IIRC) are successfully using the 1TB WD10EVCS as internal drive upgrades in Series3's and TiVo HD's.

    Noted that Buy.com has them for $124.99 w/free shipping which is pretty good. Curious if you found them for less anywhere else?.
     
  14. Nov 27, 2008 #1994 of 10248
    Lenonn

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    I have't found them for cheaper, but I was willing to pay Amazon's $160 price since I have Amazon Prime. I'll definitely check out Buy's price. I haven't ordered from them in awhile.
     
  15. Nov 27, 2008 #1995 of 10248
    sbourgeo

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    I put a 1 TB WD10EVCS from buy.com into my TiVo HD this morning, and had no issues. FWIW, you can save an additional 5% at buy.com with this coupon: link.
     
  16. Nov 28, 2008 #1996 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Nice! :up:
     
  17. Nov 28, 2008 #1997 of 10248
    richsadams

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    For anyone upgrading the internal hard drive in their TiVo HD or HDXL or wanting to add an eSATA drive to their HD, HDXL or Series3, the WD10EACS is on sale for $94.99 w/free shipping at Newegg. ($99.99 less Black Friday $5 coupon code EMCBBCJBH)

    NOTE: This drive should NOT be used to upgrade the internal drive in the Series3 due to a soft reboot issue.
     
  18. Nov 28, 2008 #1998 of 10248
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    Thanks for the coupon :) I pulled the trigger on this and am going to add this to my Tivo Series3.



     
  19. Nov 28, 2008 #1999 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Nice. Amazon has the recommended Antec MX-1 for $36.70 enclosure w/free shipping - a pretty good price. Put them together and ta-dah...lots of new real estate!

    Enjoy!
     
  20. Nov 29, 2008 #2000 of 10248
    myblubu

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    I decided on the WD10EACS to upgrade my Tivo HD. I almost bought one from buy.com but then decided to do a search on ebay and there were a few large computer parts companies selling them for around $109-110 with free shipping. I found out about a 25-30% off ebay purchases of some Buy-It-Now items when linked through a live.com search. I bought the drive and $27.50 was instantly put in my paypal account from live.com. I have since transferred the 27.50 to my bank account. The drive was shipped via FedEx and is scheduled to arrive Tuesday. So after all the dust settled, my cost was $81.75. I downloaded the Hitachi tool to change the drive setting for quite operation. So if using the Hitachi tool doesn't scare you, this may be an inexpensive way to get a WD 1TB, or the same logic can be used to get the WD10EVCS which was going for about $124 on ebay.

    I think you normally have to wait 60 days to get your live.com cashback but I think they are running some sort of a special with immediate cashback for a few days.

    Figured I would mention it, just in case anyone else was in the market for a 1TB & doesn't mind the cashback procedures.
     

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