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Does Roamio have the ability to record 2 streams from one tuner?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by Goober96, Sep 8, 2013.

  1. Sep 8, 2013 #1 of 27
    Goober96

    Goober96 New Member

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    In the past, if all tuners were scheduled to be used and then I attempt to pad a show that will run into those shows, I would get a conflict error. Even if 2 shows were on the same channel, they would take 2 tuners for the overlap. This does not appear to be the case with Roamio. I have 6 shows scheduled to record tonight at 9 but then needed to pad Big Brother because of the sports overrun, pushing it past 9. Now there are 7 shows recording at 9 (but only 6 channels) with no conflict error. If they added this ability that is great news. I've always wondered why that wasn't done. Good job TiVo!
     
  2. Sep 8, 2013 #2 of 27
    lpwcomp

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    How much padding and do you have "Overlap Protection" enabled?
     
  3. Sep 8, 2013 #3 of 27
    Goober96

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    No overlap protection and I padded Big Brother by one hour. So it would appear from 9-10 I'm going to be recording 7 shows from 6 tuners. Will be interesting to see if it actually happens that way. :)
     
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    Dan203

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    Let us know if it works. If it has smart padding like that it would be awesome!
     
  5. Sep 8, 2013 #5 of 27
    Goober96

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    Well, I'm watching (and recording) Big Brother now and when I press Info to look at the other recordings, I have 6 other shows recording (total of 7). However, when I look at the My Shows list, there are only 6 recordings showing there. (Unforgettable, same channel as Big Brother, is not listed there, even though it is listed on the info screen.)
     
  6. Sep 8, 2013 #6 of 27
    lpwcomp

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    What does the Todo show? I assume you also padded "Unforgettable".
     
  7. Sep 8, 2013 #7 of 27
    Goober96

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    ToDo list also didn't show Unforgettable. It appears that despite the appearance of things (no conflict warning and Unforgettable listed on Info screen) that there is not 2 recordings. I padded BB again enough to get Unforgettable, too, but it appears this doesn't work like I first thought. Interesting that there was no conflict warning though.
     
  8. Sep 8, 2013 #8 of 27
    lpwcomp

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    I don't think that what you were seeing by pressing "Info" indicates that it was recording 7 things. "Big Brother" is how the recording is identified so that's the main title. The individual tuner entries tell you what is on the channel that tuner is set to according to the guide data.
     
  9. Sep 8, 2013 #9 of 27
    lpwcomp

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    Unless you changed the padding to 1.5 or 3 hours or there was in fact no delay, you will not get all of "Unforgettable".

    What does the History say about "Unforgattable"?
     
  10. Goober96

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    I changed it to 3 hours. Unforgettable isn't even listed in the history. Apparently it just ignored that recording since I padded BB on the same channel to cover its time slot.
     
  11. unclehonkey

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    I was wondering if it works if you dont pad it that much

    Thought about the Roamio basic (since I need it for OTA) and I know on Directv DVR's if I set the overlap on the same channel (as example a football game from noon to 3:45 and the 2nd game from 3:25-7) it will not tie up a 2nd tuner. I had a Series 3 and yes it tied up the 2nd tuner which frustrated me. (plus having D* for a couple years I was use to the "padding" of 1 minutes before/after the show

    Does the roamio tie up a extra tuner? 4 tuners would be nice but if the overlap doesnt work like that it might be dicey sometimes when there are sports on all 4 nets (or college football on big 3 + local station)
     
  12. Dan203

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    It would be really nice if TiVo could share the data between two overlapping recordings rather then requiring another tuner to do it. Would make padding those NBC shows with that 1-2 minute overlap a lot easier.
     
  13. mattack

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    We've been requesting this for years.. Don't hold your breath. (This alone would HUGELY reduce my 'need' for tuners.)
     
  14. Dan203

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    I guess dead people don't need many tuners huh? ;)
     
  15. Leon WIlkinson

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    To bad it just can't just see a recording is padded into another show request, ask you if you would like to delay the (previous scheduled recording) by the total padding time of the currently edited show.

    The Second show would use the guide data as a time stamp to correctly title the second recording.
     
  16. unclehonkey

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    bummer that it cant record more than one program on same tuner.

    next week there are college games on
    CBS at 2:30
    ABC at 11:00 and 2:30
    NBC at 2:30
    CW at 11:30 (syndicated)

    so it would be nice to pad the 11:00 game on ABC "just incase" but then there is more than 4 tuners used

    or next Friday when there are back to back new shows on ABC & NBC. I thought Friday was "dead day" for the networks? All 4 nets have good shows on Friday at 7PM
     
  17. Dan203

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    That's what overlap protection does. It allows two shows to overlap by up to 5 minutes. The one with the higher priority gets recorded with all padding and the lower priority one gets clipped.

    Personally I find that annoying and turn it off because sometimes you'll get something from cable that repeats a hundred times but missing the first few minutes because it got clipped by the padding of a network show.
     
  18. Leon WIlkinson

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    What my thought was for a same channel second recording, the recording would be just like normal but recorded out of it's time slot on the same tuner

    Say you have 2 tuners only, ;) You have BB @ 7:00 set to pad 1:30hr on one tuner and storage wars on another then @ 8pm the none BB tuner would still be used so the tuner on Big Brother would see that unforgettable should be recorded and ask you if you'd like to record unforgettable on the same tuner only it would make the actual recording 30 mins past the unforgettable time slot at 9:30 to 10:30.
     
  19. BobCamp1

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    D* DVRs do this. It's the one thing I miss about them.
     
  20. Dan203

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    Most recordings are automated, not one offs where you can be asked how to handle it. So they need to have some sort of automatic logic.

    A much better solution would be for the scheduling logic to be smart enough to put all back to back recordings on one tuner and then simply share any overlap between the recordings with both programs. It's digital data it should be easy enough to copy.
     

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