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Does FIOS use Multistream Cable cards?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by aaronwt, Sep 7, 2007.

  1. Sep 7, 2007 #1 of 67
    aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    I'm going to get FIOS TV tomorrow and plan on getting it initially installed in both my TiVoHD boxes. Does Fios use multistream cards yet or are they still using single stream? Once I leave Comcast in December, I'll need 10 cable cards if they use single stream.
     
  2. Sep 7, 2007 #2 of 67
    chazas

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    So far, only S Cards (single stream). From what I have read you will be limited to 7 cablecards on Fios, so research this carefully before you jump ship.
     
  3. Sep 7, 2007 #3 of 67
    bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

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    That is true.

    The reason for that limit is that MoCA (100Mbps over Coax) and the Actiontec router -- by which you get guide data and VOD on the Motorola STBs -- only allows connectivity to seven FiOS STBs and DVRs at once. Because of that, FiOS setup their order system to limit each customer account to seven STBs and DVRs. CableCards should not count against that limit, but they do with the current Verizon account / billing software.

    They are working to eliminate that limit, but that probably won't happen until next year.
     
  4. Sep 7, 2007 #4 of 67
    aaronwt

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    I won't think about my Series 3 boxes until my year is up with Comcast in December. SO hopefully by then they will increase the limit or even better have multistream cards. They definitely charge too much for the cable cards. I pay Comcast zero for 6 cable cards and 4 cards from FIOS will cost me $12.
     
  5. JANNINO

    JANNINO New Member

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    BKDTV - I'm on the phone right with Verizon and I'm having the same problem. I want to install 4 HDTivos and one Verizon DVR and while Verizon tech tells me this is not a problem the Verizon billing is telling me no more than 7 cable cards allowed. What a joke this is. Is there any way around this problem or do I have to use one of my HD Tivos with only one cable card until Verizon ends this articifial limit or they come out with M cards??
     
  6. rmassey

    rmassey Damn, these are fun!

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    I just don't understand the need for more than two HD Tivo's in the house. I know, I know, other people have different needs, but do people really need four HD Tivos? I only have two so i do not have to compete/share with my kids. I get the S3, they get the THD. Four tuners, 250gb + 160 gb is enough for me. YMMV.
     
  7. aaronwt

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    Do we really NEED an HDTV, a 7.1 sound system, any TiVo etc. ?
     
  8. rainwater

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    Many people use them to replace the set top box. Since the S3/THD can tune digital channels, a lot of people use them on each TV they own.
     
  9. rmassey

    rmassey Damn, these are fun!

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    Certainly not in every room of the house :D
     
  10. JANNINO

    JANNINO New Member

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    We have 5 TVs in the house. The plan was to have one Verizon DVR (for the kids downstairs) and 4 HD Tivo units. The reason for 4 HD Tivos is the wife records everything and likes to have it available all over the house and she's not one to download shows into different units.

    Verizon's 7 device limitation is an artificially induced limit and not a physical limit on their system as an ONT can handle 7 outputs. Have you every hear of a business limiting itself on how much of their own product they will sell??

    I am now looking into Cablevision's IO service here in northern NJ and Verizon may have lost a paying customer do to their riduculous business practices. It is really unfortunate as a simple limitation on their billing software will ultimately cost them business.
     
  11. andrews777

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    I was just told by the Verizon Fios rep (after she called a tech guy) that they do have M-cards now for Fios. I will find out when they install next Wednesday (9/19), but it is possible I can get by with a single card for each of my Tivo HD units. :)

    Brad
     
  12. ah30k

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    I wonder what the payoff time is; truck roll fee/ monthly savings?
     
  13. andrews777

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    I am doing the initial install, so it is nothing extra for me. :)

    I will post here if they are really available after the install date.

    Brad
     
  14. JANNINO

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    Andrews777 - Where are you located? I spoke to Verizon here in northern NJ and they said they do not have the M-cards yet. Those M-cards could solve my problem as I have 4 THDs and need 8 S-cards which Verizon Billing says I cannot have.

    On another front - I thought I read in some other posts that the new fix that went out last week which fixed the problems on the SA cable cards is causing a problem on the M-cards. Anyone else know anything about this??
     
  15. jimvaughan

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    They do not have m-cards in Southern CA, or at least didn't last week.
     
  16. Aero 1

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    Im in northern NJ as well and i just ordered 3 fios cards for this saturday install. they transfered me to a tech because the customer service idiot didnt understan what an mcard is. anyway, the tech said (they are out of paramus) that they do not have mcards.
     
  17. bdraw

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    Did any of you end up getting an M-Card from FIOS?
    I'm in Tampa FL, and I just called. The lady didn't know what it was, so I asked her to find someone who did -- obviously I didn't say it like that -- then she came back and said it wouldn't be a problem. I'm setup for Monday between 8-10am. We'll see what the guy actually brings.
     
  18. andrews777

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    That is the way it went with my rep, although I won't know until Wednesday. I wish I could get it setup earlier. :)

    Brad
     
  19. blhirsch

    blhirsch Tivo-riffic!

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    I'm hopeful I might get one. Because of an equipment malfunction, the installers couldn't get my FIOS tv up and running on Wednesday. When he asked me if there was anything he could do, I said, "yes, in the meantime, go back and see if you can't rustle me up an m-card to make up for it." He laughed and said he'd definitely see if he couldn't do just that.

    At least he knew what I was talking about. We'll see when they come back. I don't think it's going to be today, but hopefully Monday.

    Edited to add: just called. Still some kind of malfunction. He's going to call me on my cell today and give me a status update.
     
  20. aaronwt

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    I was told that here in Northern VA they don't have any multistream cards. I just hope they get them by December when I switch my remaining boxes from Comcast to FIOS.
     

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