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Does anyone use a roamio (or a mini) with a switch?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by 2004raptor, May 4, 2014.

  1. eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    Can you describe how your network is setup (Internet provider, Internet router, switch if not using built in switch ports on your router), etc? Also, what is bridging your ethernet into Moca, are you using the pro as the gateway with ethernet connected to the pro? do you have fios or do you have a dedicated Moca device like a actiontec moca adapter acting as the gateway?

    Might be better to start a new thread rather than to crash this one unless you believe an external ethernet switch issue.

    In the majority of situations, wired ethernet is usually more stable than Moca.
     
  2. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Basic troubleshooting dictates that a replacement cable should be one of the first things you try. Not the last.
     
  3. eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    Very true,
     
  4. Grakthis

    Grakthis New Member

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    I think I have just some generic 5 port 10/100/1000 netgear switches I bought cheap on woot like 2 years ago and then the built-in switch on my AT&T leased router.

    I never had a single mini-disconnect until very recently (after the latest update), but they are still fairly infrequent.
     
  5. eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    (like it matters) but I just posted a message in the Tivo suggestions feature request, we need better network diagnostics, it's nuts to be struggling with these possible network issues when most have little if no display of how the Tivo home network is operating.

    Right now we have little understanding if the problems we have are network faults or Tivo software.
     
  6. 2004raptor

    2004raptor time to emancipate

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    I just grabbed 2 different switches. One is an 8 port Linksys, the other an 8 port netgear.. It'll be late tonight before I have a chance to hook them up, so we'll see.
     
  7. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Netgear has some reasonably-priced switches that allow cable diagnostics via web-browser or via PC-installed software (you pretty-much have to choose one or the other, and some of them require the PC you use for this have a direct-line into the switch).

    I would like to think TiVo's alleged remarks about "not supporting switches", are their support-bots confusing HDMI switches with network switches.

    I agree with a recent post about people using dumb-as-a-rock network switches, (that obviously don't even honor QoS/Priority tags), and also don't have built-in cable diagnostics. I added the part about the QoS/Priority tags.

    I bit the bullet, and yanked out all my almost-new gigabit Trendnet switches, in favor of ones that honor QoS/Priority tags, and a central one that does that, plus does cable diagnostics.

    It was well worth the money, as all my networking performance improved, once I had all the switches out that didn't specify "IEEE 802.1p priority tags", as being honored/supported.

    The improvements:
    Better TiVo experience
    Better VoIP experience
    Better computer-based experience
    Better streaming-based experience
    And more...
     
  8. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    I don't know what my Dlinks GigE unmanaged switches are, but I've never had any problem getting 900mbps+ throughput with them. And they work well with my 60+ network devices at home.

    But now all my Minis and Roamio Pro are using MoCA and connected to one of my Dlink GigE switches with an Actiontec MoCA adoter with four GigE ports.
     
  9. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    It's not always about raw speed. Latency is the root of many issues. Your switches may have supported priority tags. There's no guarantee that even expensive switches have the feature. It's up to the buyer/owner to check the specs on a product. I've spotted a few switches that most would call "cheap", that honor priority tags. It might have used to be a given, then some products may have made a choice to take it out of their budget models, explaining why some of us never heard of it before.

    MoCA is a different standard, and could be compared to a subnet/segment. I'd guess it is optimized more for latency, than raw speed, given that it was designed for a pretty specific usage.

    The most advanced ways of optimizing QoS and priority traffic involve subnets/segments/VLANS/etc. I have some switches that are "unmanaged", but allow configuration of these network optimizing subsets.

    I've seen examples of this with wireless products, which allow for allocating the 5GHz band for A/V traffic, and applying "A/V optimizations".

    Net neutrality within the home (all traffic being treated equal), used to be a complete "non-issue". As more A/V streaming becomes part of the traffic, and VoIP becomes more commonplace, traffic QoS/priority/basic-management becomes more and more desirable in home networks.
     
  10. eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    I can't dispute that having QOS active appears to help your home network however Tivo does not implement any interaction with QOS tagging, they simply aren't that advanced.

    As far as someone getting 900 mbps with unmanaged switches and questioning why TiVo's can't come remotely close to such, such is simply not remotely possible with TiVo's as there isn't enough processor power to put that much data across the network interface. TiVo's in terms of network throughput are as about advanced as a 1995 PC with a 10 mb ethernet interface, you do understand that there is a major difference between mbps and mbs? While series 5 Roamio TiVo's can transfer much faster than any other Tivo before them, Tivo dvrs were never designed with networking in mind, they are engineered to process video decoding and processing, file transfer was an afterthought.

    The two reasons that Roamio Plus and pro have Gb ethernet is for one the chipset availability and they are designed to handle multiple 100mb clients. Unknown to most logically, a third reason is that the ethernet port on the plus & pro is technically part of 1gb switched port and not the direct interface to a single Gb ethernet interface. Internally the Roamio Plus and pro shares the actual ethernet, Stream and Moca interfaces connected internally (all shared) and the fourth port is the external connection that you connect to your network. From a design point of view, this why the Roamio basic only has 10/100 ethernet as it's interface is a direct Nic and not part of a shared ethernet switch. When you connect your Roamio Plus or PRO to your home network switch, this is in fact a second switched connection.
     
  11. 2004raptor

    2004raptor time to emancipate

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    Well, I forgot to write down the model # but I picked up a netgear FS108 and things have not been so successful as I'd hoped.

    I ended up making a new thread here hoping some folks might be able to help me with this issue.
     
  12. aaronwt

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    I've not needed to worry about QOS on FiOS. Since I'm on the 150/65 tier, internet bandwidth between my devices has not been an issue. I had tried it years ago when I had a Dlink router and it made no difference. Although I was on the 35/35 or 75/35 tier back then. I'm using an Asus router now.
     
  13. aaronwt

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    I was getting 150mbps+ transfer rates with my Roamio Pro before the most recent update. But since the update the fastest transfer I've seen has been just over 100mbps. That was one of the reasons I switched to MoCA after the update. It seems a little quicker using MoCA right now.

    Before the Ethernet connection was easily faster. Either way though the transfers speeds from my ROamio BAsic and Roamio Pro are not what the used to be when the previous software was installed. Fortunately though, from a user perspective, there is no difference. It just takes longer for my transfers to finish now.
     
  14. jmbach

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    Have you checked your cables and runs with a network tool. It's a good way to make sure when you punched the wires they have good connection and you don't have any wires flipped. This will help make sure you are following the 568 A/B standard. Not following the standard could affect your networks ability to connect. I have seen some equipment that tolerates non standard cabling and others that do not.
     
  15. 2004raptor

    2004raptor time to emancipate

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    I definitely checked the 2 drops for the roamio and mini. I haven't checked my PC drop since I installed the wiring ~10 yrs ago. If I connect fine with my PC and have no other issues I wouldn't think there would be an issue.
     
  16. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Totally disagree, my $20 on sale TP-Link TL-SG108 green 1Gb 8-port switch has worked great with every device on it (Windows 7 Media Center PC + extenders, Tivo Mini, gaming PCs etc.). Packet priority has been irrelevant for my usage.
     
  17. BiloxiGeek

    BiloxiGeek Reality Challenged

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    My Roamio connects to a Netgear GS108Tv2 in the living room. That switch connects to a Netgear GS724Tv3 in my office where the router and cable modem reside. Both smart switches so they have a web interface for management. I've had no problems network related so far.
     
  18. joestan

    joestan New Member

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    I have a roamio pro that uses a trendnet green gigabit switch naver had a problem
     
  19. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    A good switch on sale, or being sold at a good price, is NOT the same as a "cheap" switch, in the context I meant.

    I wound up paying $20 for each of my Netgear AV-Series 5-port switches with multiple priority handling options (NewEgg Sale). I got my Netgear 8-port mid-range priority-supporting switches for about $40 (NewEgg Sale). I got my Netgear 8-port "smart" switch for about $60 (NewEgg Sale).

    I was speaking of the switches that are always the lowest price option, which the buyer might not bother to even read the specs on, before buying.

    The everyday prices on the switches I bought are easily 3x what I paid for them (all-inclusive).

    Just because something was on sale, or part of a promotion, doesn't make it "cheap" in the context I meant.
     
  20. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Great then. I have three 8-port ones, barely used, with everything they came with, including the boxes. Want to help me clear up some clutter? :D
     

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