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Doctor Who "ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS" Sept 1, 2012 BBC America

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by DianaMo, Sep 1, 2012.

  1. Sep 8, 2012 #141 of 148
    TonyD79

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    Who were humanoid. But the part about removing love has always been part of them.
     
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    pgogborn

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    If you believe Americans, Brits, Homo sapiens, Homo erectus are not all also Earthings/Terraneans - fair enough.
     
  3. Sep 8, 2012 #143 of 148
    pgogborn

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    I do not think in the past they created more Daleks by removing love from humans, I think they were created without love, they were not bonded to metal (the head stalk).

    Cybermen multiply by upgrading humans into Cybermen by removing love and other emotions and bonding them with metal.

    Oswin was a special case in that she was fully converted to Dalek and wasn't bonded to a head stalk - but it does raise the question of how Daleks multiply - do they have genders, crawl out of their armored vehicles, corpulate and give birth?


    (I did post the line was blurred, not Daleks became the same as Cybermen)
     
  4. Sep 8, 2012 #144 of 148
    TonyD79

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    You would be wrong. Davros created human Daleks in the old show because the Kaled Daleks were not loyal to him. They saw him as inferior. It is not new at all.

    Both Cybernen and Daleks bond humanoids to metal and remove emotion. Daleks keep hate. Cybernen remove all. The big difference is their motives. Cybernen believe they are saving everyone from pain and frailty. Daleks want to rule. Even then, Davros created them to bring peace to the universe.

    There is Dalek history reaching back to 1963 TV wise. I don't remember it all. However, I do know that the Kaleds were much like humans and they were bred to be how they are today. It was a reaction to degrading mutation from a nuclear war with the Thals. The removal of love et al, was chemical and, presumably still is or the genes gave mutated.
     
  5. rich

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    "Eggs." :)
     
  6. pgogborn

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    Something which I have posted several times on the Internet is "there is nothing new under the sun".

    But to add a tad of nuance - yes Davros has done all sort of stuff - I think there is a tad of difference between what he does and what common-or-garden Daleks do out in the field.

    As it happens I have probably watched every surviving Doctor Who episode reaching back to 1963.

    I am reasonably certain the Cybermen want to rule.

    And at the risk of Godwinning the thread, Davros has always been a Nazi.
     
  7. TonyD79

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    Garden variety Dalek? Insane Daleks kept in an asylum are garden variety Daleks? A few of them were from the battle where Davros created human Daleks, if i recall right. No idea if any were the human ones, though. If any survived. But Oswin was not turned into a Dalek by the "sane" ones on the ship but by the "insane" ones.

    As for Cybermen ruling. Depend on the definition. They are ruling only because of uniformity. They don't make slaves. They make Cybermen. They are inclusive. While Davros stated he was doing the same when he created the Daleks, he was actually about power for himself. That continued to when he tried to destroy the universe a couple of years ago. The Cybermen are about peace through uniformity and a lack of all emotions. Daleks remain emotional and ambitious. Cybermen are about logic taken to a wild extreme. No emotion, no problems. Actually closer to Borg than Daleks.
     
  8. pteronaut

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    Not Godwinning.

    More than just being a Nazi, Davros was Hitler, an impure who demanded purity, but unlike Hitler, Davros' Aryan race rose up against him for being impure.
     

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