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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by bcfedee, Mar 28, 2014.
I believe they announced that they are getting out of the plasma game.
A friend of mine got hit by a lightening strike on the pole right outside his house. It ruined everything connected to a electric outlet including the stove, fridg', and dish washer. The lightening blew past UPSes and surge protectors.
That isn't likely to happen to you, but it is a possibility, so best to have home owners insurance for replacement value.
I have whole house surge protectors, but I still have everything with a hard drive hooked up to a UPS. I also have all of my network gear on battery backup. This includes my cable modem, router, and all switches and wireless access points. On top of that, I also have my cable amplifier hooked up to a UPS. This ensures that if the power goes down briefly while my TiVos are recording or transferring something, they will not be affected.
A lot of people don't really under stand what a surge protector is. It isn't to protect you from a lightning strike. Nothing will help you if it hits near by. It is mainly to protect delicate equipment from power surges caused by motors such as freezers, washers, refrig's heater blowers and stuff like that starting up. They cause a spike in the voltage that travels thru the wiring in the house.
You can't protect electronics from any direct lightning strike or from 250VAC getting into you 120VAC wiring, this does not happen very often but your best protection is a good home owners insurance policy. My next door neighbor had the 250VAC problem, took out everything plugged in, the electric co took care of fixing him up as it was their fault. My whole house surge protector when out once in the last 15 years, had to replace it, but I don't know if that saved any of my electronics. (I check the surge protector lights now and then)
When I worked for the phone company, I saw what lightning can do. Our cables took a lot of direct hits. I also ended up working on a house that their TV tower took a hit. It moved the house 2 inchs off the foundation. It also sent a lot of the dry wall nails from the outside wall and sent them thru a wall on the opposite side of the room and into the hall way.
I've had an automatic generator for 20 years. A lot can happen in that 30 seconds; ie rapid on/off cycles that can kill your electronics. I'd leave that ups on the computer and get another for the Tivo.
I bought a Cyberpower CST1300AL at the local Costco today for $95:
Despite the different model number, it is the exact same unit as the CP1350AVRLCD that Amazon currently sells for $135:
When I got a new computer in 2009 I looked at my UPS and found that in idle it was using about 30 watts, my new UPS (CyberPower) uses less than 5 watts (when the batteries are fully charged) FYI 1 watt at 24/7 cost most people about $1 to $1.50/year except in CA it could cost more than $2.50/year)
I've always considered it a necessity. Just like a UPS with cordless phones. I've used them with cordless phones since the early 90's. And I've always had my TiVos connected to a UPS. Heck all of my electronics are connected to a UPS. I've never plugged a TiVo into an outlet without going through a UPS.
What you do can't be bad, except for replacing batteries every 5 or so years and using extra power (even when nothing is plugged into any UPS it draws from 5 to 30 watts).
I only used a UPS on my desktop computer, never on anything other than my computer, and I never had a problem, so not using a UPS is not a death knell for everybody. Not anybody I know uses a UPS on anything but a desktop computer, and they never had any problems. (one person had a direct lighting strike on his home, took out all electrical equipment, from his AC and heating to his all his TVs, dishwasher, etc. OH! and his UPS protected desktop computer that was off at the time. Homeowners insurance is great at times.)
Isn't a TiVo DVR essentially a computer? It seems to have just about all of the essential components that a desktop computer has (processor, memory, hard drive, operating system, etc), so if you should be using a UPS on a desktop, you should also probably be using one with a TiVo.
I absolutely have a UPS on my DVRs (no longer TiVos, but the principle applies). We get a lot of thunderstorms, with associated power fluctuations. Every one would cause a reboot, and that means losing a good chunk of any recordings in progress, aside from the wear and tear on the machine.
I don't use necessarily use them for preventing problems with the Tivos, but mainly to make sure I have uninterrupted recordings. Even when I used VCRs in the 90's I used a UPS with them. So I could continue recording if there was a power outage.
I use them with my other devices so I can continue to use everything normally during an outage. So my Tv, receiver, subwoofer, servers, streaming devices, etc. can all be used during a power outage. I live in a condo so a generator is not an option for me. So the 13 or 14 UPSs(most with extended runtime batteries) are the next best thing.
I don't use a UPS on my computer to protect it; I use it so if I am using MS office or doing something and the power goes out I can shut down my computer in an orderly way, or in my case in 16 seconds my generator comes on. Windows is not designed to have the power cut off and files may be corrupted and /or data lost if your computer power goes down when Windows is running, TiVo is designed to be cut off from power and only take out the CH buffer.
Premiere - yes, Roamio probably not needed. The basic Roamio I have plugs into a brick that then plugs into the wall, i.e. an external AC/DC converter. My Premiere got hit by a leak into the coax from a lightening strike but recovered. The power surge after the electricity went out fried my Premiere. I don't miss the Premiere a bit with its cludgy HDUI performance; my Roamio is working very well for me. I do have my Roamio on a surge suppressor and the built-in coax surge suppressor.
I'm really not sure what difference having a power brick there does. I can't see it being able to stop a major power surge. But regardless, the Roamio Plus/Pro doesn't have a power brick.
WE also get a lot of power fluctuations and that's why I use them. I don't want my DVRs subjected to the power flickers. However, I'm not concerned about the recordings so much. The heck with them. I want to protect my equipment. As soon as the power goes out, I shut down the UPSs and everything plugged into them. BUT if I'm not home, I'll the the UPS take the flickers to protect the other equipment;
My UPSs won't shut down until the batteries are exhausted. That could be bewteen 2 hours and 18 hours depending on the loads I have on the UPSs. My alarm system and router and main GigE switches are good for up to 18 hours. But everything else will last much less since they draw alot more power. My Tivos are good for 12 hours or so during an outage.
Just switched my Tivo to the UPS outlet. Didn't care before because I was renting from my cable provider but now I bought my own.