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Do you plan on buying a TiVo Mini at launch?

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by jfh3, Mar 6, 2013.

Do you plan to buy a TiVo Mini at launch?

Poll closed Apr 6, 2013.
  1. Yes - I plan to buy one Mini

    53 vote(s)
    32.5%
  2. Yes - I plan to buy two or more

    13 vote(s)
    8.0%
  3. Maybe, but I will not be an early adopter

    47 vote(s)
    28.8%
  4. No, I have no plans for a Mini

    41 vote(s)
    25.2%
  5. Undecided

    9 vote(s)
    5.5%
  1. Mar 11, 2013 #81 of 114
    Kingpcgeek

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    My Roku 3 arrived today and my new Mini shipped today. The Roku 3 will be in the family room next to my Elite and will be used for Amazon Prime and HBO Go.

    The Mini will be moved around the house as needed, living room, guest room and patio. I'll be taking two $8.50/month cable boxes back to Cox when the Mini arrives.
     
  2. Mar 11, 2013 #82 of 114
    steve614

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    Just to point out... even if the Mini worked with 2 tuner Premieres, you'd still be left with 3 tuners, as the Mini would have to "steal" a tuner from one of your Premiere XL's.
     
  3. Mar 12, 2013 #83 of 114
    buscuitboy

    buscuitboy New Member

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    I was curious and waiting to see what these minis will offer. Tempted to get one of these minis now, but since they don't currently work with 2-Tuner Premieres (I have two) and require at least a 4-Tuner Premiere, I don't think I'm gonna be on board at this point since I would have to spend a lot on new equipment to get this going the way I wanted. If/when they can work with 2 tuner Premieres (rumored to be able to in the future), I will then reconsider.

    Even if I got a 4-tuner Premiere, I'm also a little discouraged that it locks down a tuner from that unit. Maybe this will change in the future though. I was looking for some inexpensive solutions for a basement rec room and spare bedroom that aren't heavily used. These minis seemed like they could possibly solve that issue, but I may just go another route; $99 lifetime a Series3 box I have and just pay the $1.50/month cable card fee for it. It would then essentially be a cheap cable box (with its own tuner) for occasional viewing as well as be used for more recording storage for my whole network (that can then be off-loaded/transferred to my Premieres as needed).

    I guess everyone's situation is different & I may even still look into some Ceton/SiliconDust whole home solutions. I may also reconsider all of this when TiVo possibly comes out with a Series 5 that presumably has 6 tuners (& works with minis). Will see.
     
  4. Mar 12, 2013 #84 of 114
    Videodrome

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    I was unaware that criticism of Tivo, was not permitted here. Maybe it should be posted, praise only forums. Worship on.
     
  5. Mar 12, 2013 #85 of 114
    trip1eX

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    A better price comparison is to the Ceton Echo WMC extender which is asked to do the same thing. It is $180 but has a crappy remote control, no Moca and no outputs besides HDMI.

    So it isn't outrageously priced. It is in-line with Tivo's other price points.

    Still these things should only get much cheaper. A Mini is all silicon.
     
  6. Mar 12, 2013 #86 of 114
    compnurd

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    I think we need to take the speed with the mini with a grain of salt for right now.. it is doing half the tasks the Premiere is probably
     
  7. Mar 12, 2013 #87 of 114
    atmuscarella

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    Staining my memory but I believe the chip in the Mini is a companion chip to another chip that would be the new chip in an updated DVR. So I don't expect we will see a DVR with the same chip that is in the Mini. But it shouldn't take much to improve on the Premiere, after all that chip in the Premiere is over 3 years old, anything developed in the last year should be a significant upgrade.

    The BCM7418 is what is in a Mini forgot what others have posted would be in a new DVR.
     
  8. Mar 12, 2013 #88 of 114
    aaronwt

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    Is the BCM7425 the companion chip?

    It is the chip that is supposed to be in the Pace six tuner box and is also in the the Dish Hopper.

    Although I see it only has dual transcoding capabilities. Can't the TiVo Stream transcode four concurrent streams?
     
  9. Mar 12, 2013 #89 of 114
    innocentfreak

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    Yeah if I remember correctly the 7418 is a companion chip to the 7425 based on comments over on zatznotfunny.
     
  10. Mar 12, 2013 #90 of 114
    L David Matheny

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    Criticism of TiVo is welcome here, and in fact it's common. But most critics are hoping to prod TiVo into making good products better. If someone sees no good in TiVo's products and comes here only to bash them, it's natural to question their motives for hanging out here at all. That would be troll-like behavior.
     
  11. Mar 12, 2013 #91 of 114
    compnurd

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    From a performance perspective.. the CPU in the Premiere should be able to run the HDUI with great speed. I question the coding and suspect it may get faster as they improve it
     
  12. Mar 12, 2013 #92 of 114
    slowbiscuit

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    Or accuse them of stealing money by charging a fee, which is ridiculous. That's trolling.
     
  13. Mar 12, 2013 #93 of 114
    innocentfreak

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    The current chip in the Premiere doesn't even support the recommended minimum requirements of Air.
     
  14. Mar 12, 2013 #94 of 114
    Tony Chick

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    I for one am not critical of the Mini as a piece of technology, I'm critical of the need & justification for a subscription. For my part I planned to buy one to use outside in the pool gazebo for the summer months where the environment is too extreme to use my 2-tuner Premiere and it would be stored along with that TV for the other 6 months making a year-round subscription financially unattractive.

    If you say they can't sell it at a profit for $100 then fine, offer it for what they can make a profit at. As it is if I keep it for 5 years it will cost me $400, a bit much for a part-time unit
     
  15. Mar 12, 2013 #95 of 114
    aaronwt

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    Just pay for liftime and only pay $250. Then if you decide later you want something else, you can still sell it and recoup most of the cost.
     
  16. Mar 12, 2013 #96 of 114
    moyekj

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    That plus the development program documented fact that only 50% of CPU resources are reserved for Flash Air in the first place (keeping enough resources to ensure recordings don't have problems).
     
  17. Mar 12, 2013 #97 of 114
    atmuscarella

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    I honestly can not see how anyone would think paying $100 plus $6/mo is better than just paying $250 up front. Keep life simple, if you can not justify paying $250 for a Mini don't buy one.

    How TiVo gets to that number (by adding a Subscription fee to hardware costs versus just saying $250 is the price) is really irrelevant. Some who follow TiVo's stock expect the reason they are doing it that way is because of how they will show subscriber numbers in their quarterly reports, which again is irrelevant to customers.

    As I have said in other posts I am not defending the $250 as being a good price. It is what it is and each person will have to decide if what they get with a Mini is worth the cost or not. The one thing I will say is that pretty much all of us want the stuff we buy to be better and cheaper than it actually is so no surprise on my part that some (many/all?) people would like the Mini's price to be less.
     
  18. Mar 12, 2013 #98 of 114
    brholl

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    I see it from a different perspective. I think it makes sense that they charge money for the box and a subscription from a business aspect. Take me for example. I have one TiVo Preimere 4. Because of the monthly/lifetime cost I was hesitant to buy another TiVo to put in my bedroom but then the Mini came out. I am going to save a lot of money buying a Mini with lifetime subscription. The subscription fee is now $5.99 instead of $10 something with the multi service discount. I also do not have to pay an extra outlet fee or rent a box from Comcast anymore. In the long run this will be cheaper than having no version TiVo in my bedroom.

    In some ways releasing the Mini is more risky to TiVo. People will be buying lifetime subscriptions on the Mini (meaning no additional income for TiVo after a few years) or else they'll pay the monthly subscription which is less expensive than a Premiere subscription. Granted, this may push people to get that second box which may make up for less multi-Premiere households. Overall, I think TiVo is now more competitive as a whole-home DVR solution compared to cable providers or other technology.
     
  19. Mar 12, 2013 #99 of 114
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    They do, it's $250 that way. The monthly subscription option is just a way to offer a lower cost of entry. Kind of like how you can get an XBox for $100 as long as you commit to 2 years of XBox Live. Or how you can get a $800 iPhone for $200 if you commit to 2 years of cell service. Except that with the TiVo Mini the commitment period is only a year.
     
  20. lessd

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    Another thing about the price is the retail mark up, any retail outlet would make more gross on selling a $250 item than a $99 item so TiVo only pays the mark up on $99 and keeps the full $150 sub money or the $5.99/month.
    I don't know of any other business plan like TiVo, even the cell phone co. do not offer lifetime service on a new phone, maybe other can think of other business models that offers the customer the choice to purchase the hardware and have a choice of Lifetime use or monthly service, Slingbox has only a full upfront cost and "free service" for the life of the box, Windows media center has the same full upfront cost (in many cases it is $0) and Lifetime service for free. MSO only rent their equipment as far as I know. (I know that you can purchase some small accessories from them like cable amps etc.)
     

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