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Do you plan on buying a TiVo Mini at launch?

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by jfh3, Mar 6, 2013.

Do you plan to buy a TiVo Mini at launch?

Poll closed Apr 6, 2013.
  1. Yes - I plan to buy one Mini

    53 vote(s)
    32.5%
  2. Yes - I plan to buy two or more

    13 vote(s)
    8.0%
  3. Maybe, but I will not be an early adopter

    47 vote(s)
    28.8%
  4. No, I have no plans for a Mini

    41 vote(s)
    25.2%
  5. Undecided

    9 vote(s)
    5.5%
  1. Mar 11, 2013 #61 of 114
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Not quite the same thing. A better comparison would be an iPad vs a Kindle Fire. The iPad mini costs $320 the Kindle Fire HD is only $199. They serve basically the same purpose from the end user's perspective. So is it stealing that Apple charges $120 more? People may think Apple products are over priced, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone complain that they are stealing. They charge what they think they can get away with, and most of the time they are right. TiVo is doing the same thing. They are charging what they think the market will bear. If they're wrong then they will likely adjust the price later on. (they've adjusted the cost of the Premiere and service multiple times in the last 3 years)
     
  2. Mar 11, 2013 #62 of 114
    jrtroo

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    This is strange to me as well. Heck- the mini does not even carry Netflix at launch!

    I wonder if the trapezoidal shape was a minor way to differentiate their design from these other boxes (a la the Boxee).

    I also don't get the worry about tuners. But, I also don't get why so many Tivo users watch live TV on a regular basis.
     
  3. Mar 11, 2013 #63 of 114
    aaronwt

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    I like that :). Apple is stealing from their customers :p
     
  4. Mar 11, 2013 #64 of 114
    atmuscarella

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    First decide what you want.

    Roku/Apple TV and a Mini are not interchangeable they do not do the same thing. The Primary functions of a Mini are not available on a Roku/Apple TV at all, the Mini does have some of the services available that a Roku/Apple TV has but is lacking access to many services and can not really replace a Roku or Apple TV (at least at this time hopefully the new hardware will allow access to more services over time).

    If you decide you want what a Mini does then decide if it is worth $250 or the $99 and $6/mo too you or not.
     
  5. Mar 11, 2013 #65 of 114
    compnurd

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    LOL I have been saying the same thing
     
  6. Mar 11, 2013 #66 of 114
    moyekj

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    Really, still comments about the Roku? The day the Roku can stream recordings from my TiVos please let me know so I can join in on the price bashing comparisons. Until then, I don't get it.
     
  7. Mar 11, 2013 #67 of 114
    Loach

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    And let me know when the Roku can hijack one of my tuners for live TV as well.
     
  8. Mar 11, 2013 #68 of 114
    atmuscarella

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    Well if someone is selling $3 gas and it is the same as the $16 gas I would buy the $3 gas.

    I am not sure what that has to do with a Mini there is no identical/interchangeable products to compare it's cost to. It is not like a person can just buy some other brand of DVR extender and use it. The Mini is part of a TiVo whole home DVR system it is not a stand alone device so the only real way evaluate it's cost is to compare it to other ways of getting the same or similar whole home DVR functionality. You can do that with other TiVo equipment (multiple DVRs), building a HTPC setup with extenders, or renting it from your cable provider, if available.
     
  9. Mar 11, 2013 #69 of 114
    Loach

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    I've been paying $8 a month for a plain HD cable box in my main family room for the last 8 years that didn't even extend my DVR system from the basement.

    $8 times 96 months = $768. I could have bought 3 lifetime Minis for that. Heck, I think I may have just talked myself into ordering a lifetime Mini at list price and not waiting for a discount or bundle. I can still wait for a discount on my 2nd and 3rd Minis I guess.
     
  10. Mar 11, 2013 #70 of 114
    Tony Chick

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    I'm not saying a Mini and Roku are equivalent functionally, but the fact is Roku can sell their top-of-the-line box for $99 and make a profit without subscriptions, and it has pretty much the same hardware configuration minus MoCA but plus WiFi. I just don't see that they are selling this at a loss requiring a sub to recoup their cost. They are charging the $5 just because they can.
     
  11. Mar 11, 2013 #71 of 114
    Dan203

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    Roku doesn't make money on the hardware. They have profit sharing deals with all the services offer via the device. TiVo doesn't have that business model so they charge you the service fee directly instead.

    Edit: To use a Roku you'd have to, at minimum, subscribe to at least one of their services right? Netflix, Hulu, etc... Those all cost at least $7/mo. So what's the difference?
     
  12. Mar 11, 2013 #72 of 114
    magnus

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    Nope, you could use any number of free channels only, if you wanted to. For example, Crackle is a free channel and has pretty good stuff on it. You could also use Amazon instant video or Vudu, assuming that you purchase videos through them.
     
  13. Mar 11, 2013 #73 of 114
    Videodrome

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    exactly, and what does the mini do, just extends recorded programing. Roku probably could have an app , or ipad that does the same thing, Hence mini is worthless.
     
  14. Mar 11, 2013 #74 of 114
    moyekj

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    Worthless to you, sure. For me it's the opposite - Roku is worthless and Mini has value for what I want. Since I see very little use for a Roku even $50 is too much for it.
     
  15. Mar 11, 2013 #75 of 114
    compnurd

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    fine then why are you posting here? troll on
     
  16. Mar 11, 2013 #76 of 114
    compnurd

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    +100
     
  17. Mar 11, 2013 #77 of 114
    magnus

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    I see no use in the Mini not being a hybrid of what it is and a Roku. The Mini has so much potential and Tivo really should get more channels of content for it. Crackle, Amazon Instant, HBO, and more. At that point, then it would make a lot more sense to charge what they are for it. I think that's where I and others are coming from on this.

    Not to mention that it does not work on the 2 tuner Premiere. I really don't think there is a technical reason why it won't work. The Stream does not seem to have a problem with the hardware of the 2 tuner Premiere.
     
  18. Mar 11, 2013 #78 of 114
    lessd

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    TiVo, for reasons we don't know, set up the Mini to be used only if the customer had at least one TP-4, in the future TiVo may add more compatibility to the Mini, as one poster said that the software/firmware in the Mini can and is updateable.
     
  19. Mar 11, 2013 #79 of 114
    jfh3

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    Then don't buy one.

    But realize that not everyone shares your assessment. ;)
     
  20. Mar 11, 2013 #80 of 114
    Dan203

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    The chip they use in the Mini runs Adobe AIR apps, just like the Samsung smart TVs, so there is really no technical reason the Mini couldn't run all those apps. I think this is likely a business decision. Maybe TiVo is squeezing them for profit sharing deals or maybe TiVo's less then friendly developer agreement is scarring developers away. We really don't know.

    However just because the Mini can do these things doesn't mean that's what it's for. It's main purpose it to stream shows from your TiVo to another room. As of right now you have two alternatives to accomplish that...

    1) A second TiVo DVR which at minimum would cost $500

    2) A TiVo Stream, an iOS device and Apple TV with AirPlay. Assuming you already have the iOS device then the Stream + ATV is $230. Not to mention you'll get degraded quality, a degraded trick play experience and you'll have to leave your iOS device running to feed the ATV via AirPlay. Hardly an ideal solution.

    Now I'm sure there are a lot of people who "want" the Mini to be cheaper or provide more functionality, but it is what it is and compared to the current alternatives the price really isn't that bad.
     

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