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Do new Premieres have updated processors?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by kswartz, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. jrtroo

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    Actually, it is relatively simple compared with the "old days" of multiple command line instructions. No harder than installing a new boot drive.
     
  2. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    The Premiere hard drives aren't locked down 'per se', they are just engineered differently. The older tools like WinMFS won't work with a Premiere hard drive.
    Forum member comer figured it out and gave us the JMFS software and instructions making upgrading Premieres relatively easy.
    If you can hook up hard drives and know how to switch your computer to boot from CD, the rest is simple.
     
  3. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    No the Premiere drives are not locked down, as steve614 said Comer gave us a simple easy way. With his JMFS software and a computer with sata ports it is really very easy. I would say that anyone who has the ability to change out a hard drive and reinstall windows on their PC would have the ability to use JMFS and follow comer's instructions. But I do agree for many non-techy people is would be past their abilities. My thank you to Comer Post has some links in it, the actual process is simpler than it sounds in Comers Instructions as the software walks you through most of it.
     
  4. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    Not sure what you mean by "upgrading the device" but when I upgraded my Premiere from the stock 320GB drive to a 2TB drive all the shows I had on the 320GB drive where copied to the 2TB drive.
     
  5. kswartz

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    I mean if you're going from one TiVo device to another. (In retrospect, my terminology was misleading -- I meant as opposed to upgrading the drive. But really migrating would have been a better choice of words.)

    You can't migrate your programs and other data from one device to a newer one is all I was trying to say.

    I'm just going to quietly sit back down now. :)
     
  6. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    If the shows on the old Tivo are not copy protected, they can be moved to a PC for temp storage and then transferred back onto the new Tivo.

    If there is a period where you have both old and new Tivos active, you can use Tivo to Tivo MRV to move the shows over.
     
  7. Jonathan_S

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    I'm not sure how old a TiVo it supports, but assuming both are active for an overlapping period you can use the TiVo website to move all your season passes over (even for shows not currently in the guide. Warning it'll probably jumble the SP order and you'll have to fix it on the new TiVo)

    I fact I think the only things you can't migrate (with an overlap period) are thumbs data, copy protected programs, recording history, and wishlists. (Which is annoying, retyping wishlists is a hassle; and losing recording history means you'll probably initially get a slew of unwanted recordings of the last couple weeks of episode out of each first run only SP:rolleyes:)
     
  8. kswartz

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    Yes, and up until recently, season passes couldn't be migrated.

    Since you likely don't want to pay to have your old and new TiVo active at the same time, your only real solution is to transfer everything to a PC (or another TiVo) and then transfer it back. I've seen some cases where this didn't work correctly, and programs were transferred without program data leading to them not going into a single folder, or -- strangest of all -- not having a title. But this is rare.

    The bigger problem is with copy-protected programs (which are increasing in number every year -- I have dozens of movies now I can't move and have to watch before I can ditch my old TiVo) and with wishlists. I suppose the list of channels you receive, too, but that's not as hard to set up.
     
  9. danjw1

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    Actually, the XL4 has a 1000BaseT nic and MOCA.
     
  10. kswartz

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    Can you elaborate a little on the MoCA support? I wasn't familiar with this until I just googled it now. Is this just to improve performance for carrying four signals across a single cable? I'm wondering if there's any benefit realized for this feature if you only have two tuners.

    Cheers.
     
  11. MeInDallas

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    Lets also not forget that the new Elite/XL4 has a different motherboard and power supply as well. A lot of people think its the same as the base Premieres and its not. I havent found a picture of the new Premiere 4 but it probably has the same motherboard, power supply, and tuners that the Elite/XL4 has.
     

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  12. kswartz

    kswartz New Member

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    Okay, so this is starting to sound like the opposite answer.

    Is the CPU the same? On-board Memory?
     
  13. danjw1

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    It can act as a MoCA/ethernet bridge and communicate with other MoCA devices. MoCA is a networking technology that works over coaxial cables. Looking at the specs from Tivo, it looks like the 4 has MoCA support as well. http://www.tivo.com/products/tivo-premiere/premiere-specs.html#tab
     
  14. kswartz

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    Ah, okay. Given I have no other MoCA devices (as far as I know), I'm guessing this is not of much use to me, personally. I'm also assuming that if one is relying solely on HDMI for device communication and wifi for network communication, this also won't provide any value-add.

    Thanks for the info -- always nice to learn something new, I guess...
     
  15. BigJimOutlaw

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    Same CPU, same amount of RAM. It's the same basic "platform" though it was designed to be modular so they can change things as needed.
     
  16. kswartz

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    Okay, so it sounds like they just tweaked a few things to accommodate the extra tuners. That seems logical. Thanks again!
     
  17. danjw1

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    Tivo suggests a wired connection for streaming, so if you intend to stream from one to another or use the Tivo Stream, then it might.
     
  18. lessd

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    I have no problems streaming between my 4 TPs using TiVos "N" adapters at 5Mhz and a Netgear dual band router (3700).
     
  19. cruiserandmax

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    Considering this device was released 2 1/2 years ago, the idea that any continuing optimization is even needed it nuts. Just saying...
     
  20. brentil

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    Where the 4 tuner system is going to come in very handy is if you want to add a TiVo Stream or TiVo Mini. These two devices will allow you to have 1 TiVo for the entire house so the conflict of tuning because much more important.

    I'm also at a point now with my dual tuners that I want the 4 tuners as I'm missing shows because of conflicts and new season shows only being aired once. Yeah I can record them on another TiVo but I want to watch them on this TV and thanks to cable companies and their restrictions I can't copy the shows.
     

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