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Dish 322 any way to fix 'press select to continue'

Discussion in 'TiVo Help Center' started by al_bburn, Jan 1, 2004.

  1. wkirke

    wkirke New Member

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    Does the VCR timer cause the channel to change? If so, then what happens if TiVo is trying to record a 4 hour long show and the timer occurs in the middle of it? Will that timer change the channel without TiVo realizing it?

    Similarly, what does the 322's restart after an update do if it occurs in the middle of a 4 hour TiVo recording? Would TiVo just lose the signal for 30 seconds or so while the 322 reboots?

    Thanks,
    -Bill Kirke
    I'm considering DISH, and glad I found this thread before I have equipment installed!
     
  2. cbbyers

    cbbyers New Member

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    This screensaver issue almost makes the 322 shlock. My 322 was installed last Friday and I've recorded several hours of that stupid bouncing logo. It's almost as if Dish secretly uses this annoyance as a way to promote the sales of their DVR based receivers. I'm not here to sell a conspiracy theory, so enough of that. I have tried all of the suggestions to keep the evil screensaver from appearing and only one of them is working for me.

    I rescheduled the daily update for 0445 hours and setup a VCR timer from 0500 hours - 0430 hours the next day. The long timer is to combat the screensaver mode that comes on if the receiver has been idle on the same channel for too long -- I think the threshold is 4 hours. Occasionally my Tivo gets to rest for 4+ hours and the screensaver has enabled on each occasion.

    I picked 0445-0500 because my Tivo is never doing anything at this time. The screensaver is only on for a short period of time between 0445 and 0500 after the daily call and the 23.5 hour VCR timer seems to eliminate the screensaver idle issue.

    The VCR timer does change the channel and will cause Tivo to record the wrong channel, so you'll want to schedule a start time when your Tivo is idle. I tried another one of the suggestions, which was to schedule a timer for 0500, 1000 & 1500, but my Tivo is working during those hours and I ended up recording the wrong channel.

    I think the best suggestion thus far is the 23.5 hour VCR timer. It is working great for me so far.
     
  3. dolphan

    dolphan New Member

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    Hello,
    I'm new to the forum, and TiVo. I'm having this same problem. I was horrified when I learned I had recorded nothing but the "select to continue" screen. How do I set the timer in the DISH box for the 20 hours or so like I read above. Please excuse my ignorance, as I said I'm new to all this stuff. I have the DISH box with one regular plug in and one radio controlled second remote. I don't have any recording capabilities in the box...only my TiVo, so I'm wondering what timer am I setting in DISH, and how do I do this. Does anyone have a walk through. Thanks to all for help and previous posts.

    -Dolphan
     
  4. aus1ander

    aus1ander New Member

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    I have a 311, not a 322, but if there are any differences, and you have your manual handy, just look up "timers" in the index. Basically, if you hit "Menu" on your 322 remote, there should be a choice for "timers" in the main menu. you can then set the timer from there.

    the way the timers were orginally meant to work (pre-DVR) was to tune your tuner to the correct channel and start the record button on your VCR through IR reflection. so, basically, all a timer does is tune your tuner to the stated channel. it does not record anything inherently.
     
  5. dolphan

    dolphan New Member

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    That was really helpful. :up: I turned off the updates (I'm going to do it weekly) and then I also set the timer from 3:15am to 2:45am. hopefully between doing both these steps I'll not see that screen again. It really was a silly thing for them to do when designing these. Anyway....thanks again, and have a safe and happy 4th to all! :cool:

    -Dolphan
     
  6. dpc10@pitt.edu

    dpc10@pitt.edu New Member

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    The most elegant solution to this problem, which removes the basic problem, i.e., the automatic call that DISH makes to update its program info, is as follows:

    On Dish Remote press Menu 6 1 6
    i.e., Menu, System Setup, Installation, Updates
    Now you can disable the daily updates.
    Keep Dish Receiver always on.
    (useless information: if turned off it will update.)

    Notes:
    1. The DISH receiver will not be "current" on the programming, but who cares as your TIVO box will. Now your DISH receiver will NEVER make a night call that interferes with your recording late night stuff. :p To be safe, press the AUX swith on the DISH remote, or store it out of sight.
    2. I believe that DISH deliberately did this to force customers to use their recorder box (how many customers have this level of technical skill). I have a 600 dollar Toshiba TIVO box that I did not want to junk in favor of an inferior product from DISH. When I called DISH service I was told that DISH and TIVO were incompatible. :thumbsdown: Not true.
    3. Any one interested in starting a class action suit against DISH for all the customers who were forced, by misinformation, to abandon their exisiting TIVO boxe in favor of one from DISH? I can provide technical support.

    Good luck with your late night recordings,

    :)
     
  7. jcgearhart

    jcgearhart All Thumbs

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    Regarding The Class Action Suit against Dish, I had a different theory as to the daily scheduled update and 4.99/mo. fee for the absence of a phone hookup. Dish is uploading viewing info to be sold to marketers,,,,, etc. And the enticing package offered with the 322 includes the user agreement with a continuous phone line connection. Do they care so deeply that you have a program schedule updated nightly that they will charge you for not keeping it current? THAT is grounds for a Class Action Lawsuit.
     
  8. gwilley

    gwilley New Member

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    I've tried the solution of a 23 hour VCR timer on my Dish 322 receiver. It woke up the receiver at 4:30am after the 4:00am update call but but by 11:00am the damn screen saver was back on and I recorded the screen saver on all recordings the rest of the day.

    So the 23 hour VCR timer doesn't seem to keep the screen saver from coming on. Maybe I have to auto tune it every so often, but that really screws up recording. I now officially hate Dish too, and I've only had it a week!
     
  9. ajhalls

    ajhalls New Member

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    When I specifically asked I too was told that I could not use my TIVO with DISH but can. I was xtremely upset because I had to get the 522 to use their DVR which is horrible. (Boo for DISH for lying) But am forced to use it because of the bouncing logo. I am going to try what you suggest and hopefully it will work.

    Thank you!!!!
     
  10. cedarrapidsboy

    cedarrapidsboy New Member

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    Is TiVO willing to modify their IR routines to add the "Select" command before all channel changes (for the 322)? It seems "Select" simply brings up the channel identification when not at the screensaver.

    I use the 23 hour timer trick... and it works fine, except for the odd 2:00 AM recording.
     
  11. JimSpence

    JimSpence Just hangin'

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    Get a universal remote that has timer functions. Set a timer on the remote to send whatever command to wake up the box. Have it do this once an hour.
     
  12. adclass

    adclass New Member

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    I just bought a 322 receiver and I am planing on hooking it up to my tivo DVD recorder, I read all the threads and thank everyone for the good info on their problems . I was wonder how to hook it up correctly with out problems. I was thinking of buying a A/B switch because my tv only has one set of inputs. Any other problem that might come up would be nice to know before hooking up. thank you.
     
  13. starshyne18

    starshyne18 New Member

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    I have the 322 tuner (GOD, how i hate it!). I had a LOT of problems getting the Tivo hooked up to begin with. Now, I'm having the same problem with the "select" screen. I can turn off the automatic updates on tv 2 no problem. Unforunately, Tivo is set up to tv 1. tv 1's dish remote no longer works (well, it still turns the tv on and off, but the 322 doesn't recognize it anymore). is there a way to turn off the updates through tv 2?
     
  14. JimSpence

    JimSpence Just hangin'

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  15. cedarrapidsboy

    cedarrapidsboy New Member

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    I'm a 322 sufferer as well. I've used the 23.5 hour VCR timer with some luck, but was getting upset when my wonderful B-grade SciFi movies were being interrupted by the bouncing logo. So that would not happen, just as I get into the good parts of "The Ice Cream Man", I set up a manual TiVO recording.

    Typically (with the exception of Cartoon Network programming and others) the shortest program you'll be recording is 30 minutes. You know when your VCR timer (on the 322) is gonna kick. So, just setup a timed TiVO recording for every night at that same time, for 30 minutes. Move it to the top of the Season Pass list. Now, every night, you will record 30 minutes of the bouncing logo. But, do it at basic quality, of course. You still record that logo junk, but at least you've quarantined it.

    Since I have done this, I haven't been surprised by the screen saver during a late night program I really need to watch (see: "Miner's Massacre").

    Now, how can the TiVO manual timer help my Dish signal get through dense cloud cover??? ;)
     
  16. BruceDeVries

    BruceDeVries New Member

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    I have a 522 and we check it every morning to see if the screen saver is on. We discovered that the Dish box uses the update time even with updates turned off to do program updates and diagnostics. We picked a time in the morning just before leaving for work and that seems to work out. Now that Tivo has won its suit against EchoStar and the recording functions will be disabled things will go more smoothly. We are hoping for a Dish cxabel card that will work with the Tivo HD box as a future solution, but have no news on that front.
     
  17. loyoladoc

    loyoladoc New Member

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    please forgive my "ignorant" questions, as i'm a complete amateur in this game.

    i hooked up my TIVO to my 322 dish yesterday. the bouncing logo is a huge problem. i don't know what you guys are talking about regarding using a "VCR timer for 23 hours." does this mean i need to have a VCR hooked up to my TV as well? and i have to record something for 23 hours? wouldn't the tape run out??

    sorry, i realize these are basic questions, but i really have no idea what's going on. all i understand is that dish needs to do a nightly update, which i've disabled. also, i understand that the screensaver comes on after 4 hours of inactivity. the dish people told me to set up a timer on the dish to have it change channels to avoid the inactivity problem. but what if i set a timer on the dish for 4am, to change to channel 5 for example, and i also have tivo set to record a program at 4am (on a different channel). won't this mess up my tivo recording?

    this is way too complicated. i am thisclose to giving up and returning my tivo for a dish DVR :(
     
  18. ZikZak

    ZikZak Neurostim Addict

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    No, a VCR timer is a timer on the 322 that changes a channel at a certain time, so that a VCR (which has no IR blasters) can be useful.

    Yes, so you won't be able to record things that are only on at 4AM.

    And you think tivo is a hassle with dish network? Just wait until you get their DVR.

    My solution to the 322 problem: don't use one. I've been happily using the Dish 301 for years.
     
  19. loyoladoc

    loyoladoc New Member

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    thanks for your response.

    another question: is a "VCR timer" just the timer that's part of the sat dish itself, that comes up when i go under menu:timers:create timer. and this is what people set to last for 23 hours a day, which then "disables" the screen saver??

    thanks.
     
  20. dkh7m

    dkh7m New Member

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    does anyone know if this is an issue w/ other DN boxes, or just the 322? i just got a pair of 381s yesterday, but i don't know if i'm going to experience the same thing.
     

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