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Discount due to Fios MPEG4 (rant)

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by socrplyr, Sep 26, 2013.

  1. Sep 26, 2013 #41 of 117
    socrplyr

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    Is that working right now?
     
  2. Sep 26, 2013 #42 of 117
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I used it a couple weeks ago. It's been around for years.
     
  3. Sep 26, 2013 #43 of 117
    unitron

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    Did you happen to see this post?

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=9824319#post9824319

    Sounds like you ought to be able to get a much better deal out of them.
     
  4. Sep 27, 2013 #44 of 117
    aaronwt

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    H.264 coming to FiOS channels is nothing new. We knew about it years ago. S3 boxes not decoding h.264 channels is not new either, we knew it years ago too. This was one of the reasons to upgrade years ago because there things have been well known for a while. I don't know why anyone would Expect TiVo to upgrade an S3 TiVo from two generations ago that stopped being sold over three years ago. That is just an irrational expectation.
     
  5. Sep 27, 2013 #45 of 117
    lessd

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    If one was paying monthly I would not be so sure that it's an irrational expectation to keep the product working or offer a upgrade path as any cable co does, but for Lifetime, that would be an irrational expectation.
     
  6. Sep 27, 2013 #46 of 117
    waynomo

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    Which channels aren't you getting due to MPEG4 implementation on FIOS?

    I have FIOS and all the channels that I receive that were mentioned as being changed to MPEG4 still work. I don't get them all, but all my HBO and Cinemax channels still work.

    I was going by this list posted by aaronwt on 4/11/13.

    ES.TV 558
    HBO Family 906
    ESPN Goal Line/Buzzer Beater 571
    HBO Family (West) 907
    Tennis Channel 592
    HBO Latino 912
    World Fishing Network 597
    HBO Latino West 913
    Cars.TV 599
    MoreMax (West) 923
    Pets.TV 633
    Action Max 924
    MyDestination.TV 674
    Thriller Max 926
    Recipe.TV 676
    W Max 928
    Comedy.TV 695
    At Max 929
    MGM HD 744
    ESPN 3D 1002
     
  7. Sep 27, 2013 #47 of 117
    aaronwt

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    Those look right. Most of those are using H.264. Although I can't double check which ones right now since I'm in a room with a Mini.
     
  8. Sep 27, 2013 #48 of 117
    wmcbrine

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    Those haven't actually been changed yet. The others in that list have, plus there are some new H.264 channels, like 735 (Sony) and 598 (BeIN).

    I can assure you that the Series 3 does not in fact tune in the H.264 channels.
     
  9. Sep 27, 2013 #49 of 117
    socrplyr

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    I tried it and it said invalid code.
    Hmm. Is there a different place than the promo code place? Or something that needs to be done differently?
    Thanks,
    Josh
     
  10. Sep 27, 2013 #50 of 117
    aaronwt

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    I just used the PLSR code last week with my replacement Roamio Pro.
     
  11. Sep 27, 2013 #51 of 117
    socrplyr

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    Did you order it from Tivo? Or did you buy locally and put it in when activating?
     
  12. Sep 27, 2013 #52 of 117
    Loach

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    It only works for units not purchased directly from Tivo. There is no place to enter the code when ordering the unit w/pre-activated service directly from Tivo.
     
  13. Sep 27, 2013 #53 of 117
    waynomo

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    Just for clarification Series 3 = TiVoHD, yes?

    I don't get those 2 channels either. I do get the Tennis Channel on 592 and that was still working for me also on my HD and is on the list.
     
  14. Sep 27, 2013 #54 of 117
    bradleys

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    Yes
     
  15. Sep 27, 2013 #55 of 117
    wmcbrine

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    Yes.

    I missed that one, then. Tennis Channel has not been converted.
     
  16. Sep 27, 2013 #56 of 117
    wmhjr

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    This is such a BS argument. MPEG4 was absolutely KNOWN to be coming WAY before 2010. Frankly, back in 2007 there were clear discussions, and the sat/DBS providers had already started moving in that direction for the exact same reasons that everyone knew that MSOs would have to use at some point. Sure, the P3 was initially designed back around 2005/2006. However, it was marketed and SOLD as new for more than 5 years. By Tivo.

    None of us know exactly why Tivo made the decisions that they made, however many actually expected VZ to move to MPEG4 well before they did. This is not the first time that Tivo has gone down a road that perhaps was not the best possible direction. I'm not saying they should need to plan for everything.

    However.

    This is Tivos ONLY business. Their ONLY means to stay relevant. If Tivo makes a decision that cripples their technology because they failed to effectively stay ahead of the market sufficiently that they can remain a leader, then it is an extremely poor reflection on their business model, and on their decision making process. It's just that simple. Period. Tivo totally and completely depends on content from the MSOs. It is VITAL to their interest to stay joined at the hip, test, test and more test, and to make nice with customers when they trip and fall from time to time. I find that Tivo met none of these particulars in this case.

    Just my 2cents.
     
  17. Sep 27, 2013 #57 of 117
    cram501

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    I have a Tivo 3, Tivo HD and now a Roamio. I do not like that Tivo didn't update the software on the series 3 when mpeg4 became available. Don't they already have it working in other areas (Austrailia?).

    I don't think they should be required to update it. I think they should. I consider it poor customer service and a hint of how things may move in the future. That may well keep me from purchasing in the future if they continue to make these type of decisions.

    If they choose to quit updating the software for basic functionality, they should remove or lower the monthly service fee to a maintenance level.
     
  18. Sep 27, 2013 #58 of 117
    Dan203

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    The S3 platform has an H.264 decoder. So they had the foresight to include the hardware required to do H.264. The problem is that cable companies did not actually deploy H.264 channels while the S3 platform was still being developed for. So TiVo never had a viable test platform for adding support. In fact H.264 channels didn't really start popping up in cable systems until early last year, and even now they're still pretty rare nationwide.

    Had they added the feature back when the S3 was still being sold, without proper testing, and it turned out to have some unforeseen flaw then they would have been forced to go back now and fix it even though the platform has been dead for over 3 years. That's not a wise business strategy.

    It's not like TiVo has no option for these channels. You can buy a Premiere or a Roamio and these channels will work fine. The fact that you feel entitled to a major upgrade on box that was discontinued over 3 years ago is ridiculous. If you want to access these channels then buy a new TiVo.
     
  19. Sep 27, 2013 #59 of 117
    Dan203

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    I bet the vast majority of S3 units still in service have lifetime service. Back when the S3 units were still being sold lifetime was only $199-$299 and was considered written off the books after 3 years. So as far as TiVo is concerned those users are not actually paying for service any longer.

    If you're actually paying for monthly service then you should really consider upgrading. You can get a used Premiere without lifetime for about $40 and all your H.264 problems would be solved.
     
  20. Sep 27, 2013 #60 of 117
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Verizon's long-stated FiOS plan since inception was to go IP... H.264 over QAM is a stopgap plan that only materialized in the last couple years. Fios might not have worked with any Tivos at all anymore right about now if not for their change of plans. So from another perspective, one might be glad that their old box can still get 95% of the available programming and not have a total paperweight, less they change providers.

    Verizon themselves have been walking on eggshells to make sure only the lowest-traffic channels get transitioned over. They're all either in special packages, 2nd and 3rd tier premium channels, or otherwise (subjectively speaking) crappy channels only on the highest paying tier of service.

    It would be nice if Tivo did an update. Certainly nobody would complain. But they can do the math and see how many people this impacts in real terms and how much they REALLY miss that low-traffic content.
     

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