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Digital to Analog Converter Needed

Discussion in 'TiVo Help Center' started by desertpatriot, Dec 13, 2013.

  1. desertpatriot

    desertpatriot New Member

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    Digital to Analog Converter Needed

    have: tivo series2 dvr w/single analog tuner and a digital cable signal from wall connected to the back of tivo series2

    service: time warner cable

    objective: keep my tivo series2, convert digital signals from the wall to analog so i can watch channels 29-99 on tivo series2 dvr box

    issue: tivo series2 dvr box does not display digital signals channels 29-99. it sees and recognizes them but won't display the content. time warner offers a tuner box w/remote they call a converter (wtf???) which i do not need. i need a digital to analog converter!!!

    need: 3rd party digital to analog converter box/device

    any suggestions?? ideas? links?
     
  2. HomeUser

    HomeUser Active Member

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    You need a Digital Transport Adapter which converts the digital signals to analog. The DTA does have a remote to change the channels instead of the remote the TiVo controls the DTA using the IR control cable that came with the Series 2 see How do I set up my Series2 DVR with a Digital Transport Adapter? If you can not find the "IR Control Cable" is available from TiVo.com for about $7.

    TimeWarner may be calling the converter the "tuner box"

    The digital channels may be encrypted and only the TWC supplied converter will work.
     
  3. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    There are digital to analog converters in electronics stores but they are only for Over the Air Antenna.
    For cable, you need to contact your cable service and rent a box, you cannot buy one.
    You would need to connect the IR Blaster (cable with 2 angled things at one end and a plug at the other), to the back of the Tivo where its labeled "IR". Stick the angled things in front of the little IR window on the cable box. This will be how the Tivo controls the cable box and change channels.
    Be sure to look in the cable box's menu settings for anything like "Sleep mode" which will turn off the box after some length of inactivity. This will prevent recordings of shows if its off.

    You would need to re-run Guided Setup to Cable with cable box and follow through the setup instructions including the setup for controlling the cable box. You would not need to use the cable box remote after setting up with the Tivo because it requires explicit control by the Tivo.

    You may need another cable box if you want to watch TV while the Tivo records, or to watch On-Demand.
     
  4. gastrof

    gastrof Hubcaps r in fashion

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    Unless the cable company is still providing analog channels, your Series 2 TiVo's tuner is useless. It's an analog tuner and will not get ANYTHING if the cable company has switched to an all digital lineup.

    You now, if this is the case, MUST use a cable box. The TiVo will never again be able to tune the channels on its own. The analog channels it could tune aren't there any more, and so the TiVo will need another source to turn to for channels it can record.

    As explained, that new source is a cable box. The TiVo should be able to control the box with an IR blaster, especially if you put a "tent" over the cable box and the IR blaster so that no outside light can affect things and throw off the channel changing.

    You'll have to go thru Guided Setup again and this time tell the TiVo it's now using a cable box. ID the type of box your service provider has given you, and the TiVo should know how to simulate the IR flashes your cable company remote produces. Hide the cable remote away, and use your TiVo remote. The TiVo will take it from there.
     
  5. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    Ellicott...
    Not true. I just bought a Samsung GX-SM530CF Smart Media Player a couple of weeks ago to replace my last HD STB in the master bedroom. Now I'm only paying $5 per monthly for a cablecard instead of $12 for the STB. The latest FCC regulations allow you to own all of your own equipment, although you'd still have to rent the cablecard. I have heard that there are some providers that will actually sell you the card rather than have you rent it, but that all depends on your provider.

    Unfortunately, the box only has an HDMI output so it doesn't help the OP with his problem. There may be adapters that can convert the HDMI output to analog audio with composite video so the Tivo can use it. I found one made by MDR Electronics, but you'd have to order it from India. I suspect there are others, but I'll leave that to you to Google for it. I do know of several converters that will convert HDMI to component video, but that won't be of much help unless you can also convert the component video to composite.
     
  6. desertpatriot

    desertpatriot New Member

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    thanx for all your kind suggestions but i'm still confused as to why it's so difficult to convert the digital cable signal from the wall to analog. this is not rocket science
     
  7. Davelnlr_

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    The conversion is easy. Its the copy protection/scrambling the cable company puts on the digital signal that makes it rocket science.
     
  8. HomeUser

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    It may not be difficult to convert digital to analog except that the digital data can and most likely is encrypted using a key only the provider knows.
     
  9. desertpatriot

    desertpatriot New Member

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    okay, now i get it. the scrambled digital signal is what i was afraid of.
    which raises the question: would an aftermarket desrambler device be a viable option? do they exist? any links?
     
  10. ajwees41

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    yes they exist, but like was said you need to get a cable card or box from your cable company. They will not authorize a cable box or cable card bought from anywhere but them.
     
  11. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    Ellicott...
    Try reading. I put links in my previous post above. :rolleyes:
     
  12. desertpatriot

    desertpatriot New Member

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    @unnatural: yes, read your comment -thanx. as mentioned previously i'm trying to keep expenses to a minimum, do not need any additional cable charges and want to hold on to tivo 2series box. what you're offering is good advice but i do not need/want to hassle with cable cards

    i visited mdr electronics http://www.mdrelectronics.com/ProductDisplay.asp?PID=5471
    but the box they advertise is for hdmi input...and i need coax input. unless i'm missing something here i do not believe it will work

    tried a google search many times for adapter and came up short each time

    note:
    -i do not need/require a digital signal. plain ol' analog will suffice
    -it would appear i need a descrambler but am not 100% certain
     
  13. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Everything is moving from analog to digital. They use less bandwidth, power and everything else. Over the air from antenna (for example) has already moved to digital. Currently for the bandwidth of 1 analog channel signal, they can carry 4 or more digital signals.
     
  14. desertpatriot

    desertpatriot New Member

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    @thabto: no argument there -all good points. but it still does not solve the issue -how can i convert digital to analog without giving more money to the cable companies?
     
  15. dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    you can't, you need that cheap $5 a month DTA box referenced above to resolve your issue, and this does not involve CableCARDs, no idea whjy you thought that.

    There is no magic bullet product you can buy that automagically converts digital cable to analog cable other than using their DTA. You say "how hard can it be, it's easy" but it's not, and insisting that it is that easy means you may not really be reading what everyone else has already posted.
     
  16. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    Ellicott...
    The setup I discussed will keep your monthly bill lower than it would with a set top box from your provider unless you go with a standard def box, then the cost difference may be minimal or even the same. If your provider offers a box with analog audio and composite video then that should suffice for what you want to do.

    You are missing the point. You need a box that can decode the cable signal from the coax input. To do that you either need to rent a box from your provider or get something like the Samsung Smart Media Player that uses a cablecard. There simply is no other way around it. The Samsung only requires that you rent a cablecard and not the entire box. It will pay for itself in the long run. Since the Samsung only has a HDMI output you need to convert it to analog so it can feed your Tivo, hence the box from MDR electronics.

    Yes, you do need a descrambler. That's what the cablecard does. Your input signal from the provider is digital so you need something that can not only decode it but also convert it to analog.

    The bottom line is that if you want to use your S2 Tivo on a digital system, you're going to need additional hardware to decode and convert the signal to analog. You can either buy your own equipment or rent it from your cableco.
     
  17. ajwees41

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    They do not sell Cable DTA (digital to analog adapter) at a store you can only get them from the cable provider.
     
  18. desertpatriot

    desertpatriot New Member

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    thank you unnatural and ajwees for the good advice. at this point i think it best to do some research, invest in a new (previously owned?) digital tivo box and come to grips with 21st century technology. all the best
     
  19. unitron

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    So is it confirmed that TWC in your area no longer offers any analog channels?
     
  20. ajwees41

    ajwees41 Active Member

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    your cheapest option if you want to keep your S2Tivo is do what Homeuser said You need a Digital Transport Adapter which converts the digital signals to analog. The DTA does have a remote to change the channels instead of the remote the TiVo controls the DTA using the IR control cable that came with the Series 2 see How do I set up my Series2 DVR with a Digital Transport Adapter?

    You can only get those from your cable company.

    Or get a S3 or Newer Tivo and a cablecard from TWC.
     

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