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Dexter S08E11 "Monkey In a Box" 2013-Sep-15

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by john4200, Sep 16, 2013.

  1. danterner

    danterner Not it!

    Mar 4, 2005
    Greenacres, FL
    Sledgehammer had the nuclear ending, right? And then unexpectedly got picked up again, and the writers had to scramble for an explanation.
  2. jr461

    jr461 Well-Known Member

    Jul 9, 2004
    Northern NJ
    Wouldn't you think that while she's gallivanting around town (to the hospital, to the hotel in this episode) she would at least make some effort to disguise herself - put on a hat, sunglasses, dye your hair, cut your hair....do something!! Her face is plastered all over and she's just out in the open, as is.

    It appears (haven't seen upcoming scenes so just my thoughts) that Dexter will not leave town. Deb is either going to the hospital or will die, but either way he's not going to just leave her (unless he doesn't know about this before he goes). Plus Saxon is running around again for all the moronic reasons already stated, so in some way he probably needs to be around to end that as well.
  3. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    So many things about this season suck. It's as if everyone involved is just phoning it in to get one more season of paychecks. Hannah not disguising herself, Deb driving Hannah around even though they know Elway and the Marshall are on to them, Dexter getting Vogel's blood all over him and then searching her house without gloves, Dexter setting up a kill room that he then never used, Dexter and Deb leaving Saxon alone in the room while they went outside to say goodbye, Deb thinking she'd be able to get Saxon out of the straps without him putting up a fight, Saxon threatening Dexter's family and then Dexter just nonchalantly sending Harrison to sleep with Jamie, as if she's going to protect him, and on, and on, and on.

    Seriously, I think if you took the writers from the first season and let them watch this final season, they'd be so disappointed in themselves.

    So glad it's ending after one more episode. I don't care at all what happens to any of the characters. I just want to see how it ends at this point.
  4. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    Miami Vice and Magnum PI both had magnificent series finalés that definitively ended the shows, and then each unexpectedly got picked up for another season. I think since then producers have thought very, very carefully about what might unexpectedly happen after the finalé.
  5. gweempose

    gweempose Well-Known Member

    Mar 23, 2003
    Northbrook, IL
    Yes. It's utterly ridiculous. If she was a brunette with short hair, nobody would even think twice. Instead, she goes all over the place looking exactly how she did when she was first arrested. It's just not realistic at all, and a testament to how bad the writing is this season.
  6. smbaker

    smbaker Well-Known Member

    May 24, 2003
    I laughed out loud when, right after the detective stopped by Deb's house and spooked everyone necessitating moving Hannah, that the first thing Deb and Hannah do is drive away with Hannah openly sitting in the passenger's seat of the car.

    How did this show get so dumb so fast? It used to be so good.

    The one saving grace was the boat selling scene (wtf? dexter has time to do that?) when the guy said 'I thought the beer cooler would be bigger' and Dex responded 'Maybe this isn't the boat for you'.

    Unlike others, I didn't mind the ending of this episode that much. While I was shouting at Dexter "Just kill the guy!", I can see why he didn't. He's finally moved past his need to kill. He's happy to let Deb bring the man to justice. It's a turning point for him. We, the audience, know that the guy will get loose and cause havok for another episode, but Dexter the character does not. The part where I do have a problem is that if Saxon was ever brought in, he'd spill the beans about Dexter. Even without proof, that would ruin Deb's career and reputation.

    The contrast between the wind down of Breaking Bad and Dexter is startling.
  7. Dmtalon

    Dmtalon I love Tivo...

    Dec 27, 2003
    Maybe the writers are smarter than we are giving them credit for. They're making it much easier for us to live with the ending of the series... That's a good thing right ?!?!
  8. Sacrilegium

    Sacrilegium that weird guy

    Dec 14, 2006
    I wonder if the writers saw how everyone else was just phoning it in and decided to see how much they could get away with. Maybe this whole season is a brilliant wink/nudge to the audience about how no one cares anymore during a series' final season, but only the writers know that.
  9. ElJay

    ElJay Active Member

    Apr 6, 2005
    I wish I could go back and tell myself to stop watching after season 4.
  10. mooseAndSquirrel

    mooseAndSquirrel Well-Known Member

    Aug 31, 2001
    Whatsamatta U
    Yeah. And that's how I also feel about 24.
  11. getbak

    getbak Active Member

    Oct 8, 2004
    Calgary, AB
    So, basically, you hate Manny Coto.
  12. sharkster

    sharkster Well-Known Member

    Jul 3, 2004
    I finally watched this ep last night. Like the rest of you, I was underwhelmed. I also agree that he should have killed sonny boy. The guy is the last link, besides Deb who would never drop a dime on Dexter, who knew too much.

    The scene where Deb got shot was pretty bad. It's a shame the writers got so lazy in this season. I can actually feel it through the actors' representations of the characters. Looking forward to the series finale and already missing Michael C Hall. I hope we see him in something soon...something great like SFU was and like Dexter was for a few years.
  13. mrdazzo7

    mrdazzo7 Active Member

    Jan 8, 2006
    Finally caught up with the last couple of episodes.... Pretty much agree with everyone here (and the rest of the viewing public, apparently)... Awful, awful writing for what should have been a nail-biting thriller of a final season. It really does play like a group of people who have 12 episodes to do, and that's it. During the season I kept thinking "there are so many plot lines that have nothing to do with anything, I can't wait until it's revealed how everything connects!". Quinn and Jamie's previously non-existent relationship taking up time in every single episode, the whole Quinn/sergeant exam thing, Masuka's daughter... Unless all of these things converge with the main plot in the hour that's left, what the hell was the point?

    I liked the idea of using the last season to explore the Vogel thing and how she and Harry molded Dexter, that was fine. But the entire "Brain Surgeon" thing was so disjointed and poorly played out that who cares. But nothing comes close to the ridiculousness of the last five minutes of the last episode. It's great that Dexter doesn't feel the "need" to kill Saxon - huge character revelation that changes everything, etc... but his decision to leave him alone with Deb to arrest him is probably the worst writing the show has ever done. nothing about it makes sense--he knows everything about them, including the fact that Dexter is running off with Hannah. It's a writing ploy that clearly defies all logic and was done just to create some kind of plot going into what should have been an epic finale.

    Anytime you end a show that centers on someone harboring an entire lifetime of secrets, you have a great opportunity to unravel them from start to finish. Whatever the actual end is, whether it's death, jail, or going on the run, it should have been built up to all season. Instead we got a ton of useless* side plots, a "big bad" that plays like an austin powers villain, and a main character who starts acting in ways completely inconsistent with the previous seven seasons.

    *I'm assuming these side-plots are useless... I can't condemn the season until I see the finale and how it all plays out. But I can't imagine they're gonna pull out this amazing bag of tricks Sons of Anarchy style where all these things are magically connected. They're not even invested enough to have Hannah put on a ****ing hat when she goes out. It's even sadder knowing that they knew it was the last year going into it.

    Ok, I'm done :) This is what happens when I'm behind on a show all season long and can't discuss it. It gets built up.
  14. Hank

    Hank AC•FTW TCF Club

    May 31, 2000
    Boston, MA
    But how do you *really* feel?

  15. JLucPicard

    JLucPicard Active Member

    Jul 8, 2004
    West St....
    I did really think it was out of character and totally ridiculous for Dexter to have witnessed Vogel's death the way he did, then turn around and leave that same killer for Deb to deal with herself.

    I'm not sure I'd be quite so disappointed in the way this is wrapping up if I wasn't watching Breaking Bad as well (HUGE contrast between the two), but a part of me thinks I would still be very disappointed - this is just crawling out with a whimper and I don't know there's anything they could do in the final ep to change my mind about that.
  16. mrdazzo7

    mrdazzo7 Active Member

    Jan 8, 2006

    lol... I don't know anyone who watches Dexter so I have to get all my thoughts out on here. It's funny how it's the polar opposite of Breaking Bad, which is nailing it and which I discuss with like 20 different people every week
  17. Hunter Green

    Hunter Green Curmudgeon

    Feb 22, 2002
    I will give them one iota of credit. At least it wasn't that Saxon just happened to work himself loose because Dexter did a crap job with the straps, or Saxon was holding a pick the whole time. Clayton letting him out almost sort of made sense at the time.

    Otherwise, crap. Maybe the hurricane is the side effect of a dome covering Miami that no one has noticed yet (since no one seems to be able to leave this town.) After all, we've already been shown that the Dome is a new advance in TV technology; no longer do characters have to pass the Idiot Ball back and forth, if they all live inside the Idiot Ball, they all get to have it at once. It would certainly explain everyone's behavior at the end there.

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