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Dexter S07E12 "Surprise, Motherfckr!" 2012-Dec-16

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by john4200, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. Dec 27, 2012 #81 of 109
    Hunter Green

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    The idea of Deb poisoning herself did occur to us, but we quickly concluded that that's just not Deb. She's smart enough to think of it, sure, but it's just not the way her mind works. She is the mirror image of Dexter: Dexter lives on the inside where no one can see the real him, and Deb lives entirely on the outside where you can't help but see her. This kind of deception is not her.

    Now, admittedly, since her promotion she's been forced to learn a bit about keeping things inside and being sneaky; and admittedly, the writers aren't always so consistent about stuff like this when the plot demands it. But it just didn't fit, and I was glad to see them be overt about confirming Hannah did it.
     
  2. Dec 27, 2012 #82 of 109
    Sacrilegium

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    Hannah confessed to Dexter in prison. She did it.

    (Unless she's lying to cover for Deb, which doesn't make a lot of sense.)
     
  3. Dec 27, 2012 #83 of 109
    john4200

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    Not exactly. Dexter accused her of doing it, and Hannah paused a long time and then said "Because she was trying to keep us apart". That is a justification, but not exactly a confession. Perhaps we could call it an admission of motive. If Hannah's statement were recorded, it would not be considered an admission of guilt in court -- it was too ambiguous for that.

    Based on what Hannah later said to Deb, I could see that as just being Hannah getting tired of telling Dexter that she did not do it, and deciding it was not worth the trouble. Whether Hannah did it or not, she felt betrayed that Dexter chose Deb over Hannah, and that is what Hannah wanted to discuss, so she may have just been trying to move the conversation along.

    At this point, I could see it going either way -- Deb or Hannah could have dosed Deb.
     
  4. Dec 27, 2012 #84 of 109
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Given this show's history of resolving the major questions of each season in each season, and not letting plot threads continue, I suspect the writers would be blown away that anybody thinks this is still an open question. Whether she stood up in front of a judge or not, Hannah confessed to Dexter once she realized she wasn't going to get able to sweet-talk her way out of it. I don't see how they could have made it any more clear...as you just demonstrated, you have to throw out the obvious meaning of the scene and then read a whole lot into it to get something else.
     
  5. Dec 27, 2012 #85 of 109
    john4200

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    Really? Your vision is severely limited. :rolleyes:

    First, Hannah could have said to Dexter, "I admit I put the drug in Deb's water, then I lied to you about not doing it." Then Hannah could have explained why she thought she could get away with dosing Deb (Hannah is smart, it makes no sense that she would think she could do it without Dexter finding out), then explained why Hannah failed to kill Deb (unlike all Hannah's other targets), then explained how Hannah managed to get Deb to drink half the water in the bottle without noticing the taste from the huge amount of Xanax dissolved in it.
     
  6. Dec 28, 2012 #86 of 109
    Lee 2.0

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    Hannah did it.

    I had the same thought about the taste of the xanax though. That **** is bitter, no way a person drinking several crushed up pills in a little water wouldn't spit it out. Probably just a plot hole, like Deb's unbloodied dress. Dexter requires a certain amount of suspension of disbelief to be enjoyable.
     
  7. Dec 28, 2012 #87 of 109
    lew

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  8. Dec 31, 2012 #88 of 109
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    They certainly could have made it clearer and more obvious, but as a viewer I don't want that. As viewers, we (at least most of us) are able to adequately interpret the dialog.

    Hannah did it.

    Now, who thinks she will be back in the next season as a major element of the overall story? I don't think so. I think she'll go the way of Rita's ex.
     
  9. Jan 2, 2013 #89 of 109
    pmyers

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    Hannah could have also been "letting Dexter off the hook" by letting him think she did do it to make her going to prison easier on him.
     
  10. Jan 2, 2013 #90 of 109
    Sacrilegium

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    The whole series after season one could be a dream Deb is having while she's on the Ice Truck Killer's table.
     
  11. Jan 2, 2013 #91 of 109
    pmyers

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    I forgot to say that I was 95% sure Deb poisoned herself at the beginning of the episode but probably only 20% now.
     
  12. Jan 4, 2013 #92 of 109
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    I thought this season felt tired and that they blew a great opportunity to end the series with Deb shooting Dex.
     
  13. Jan 4, 2013 #93 of 109
    Rob Helmerichs

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    That would have been an ill-considered move, since there's at least one more season yet to come...
     
  14. Jan 4, 2013 #94 of 109
    Hank

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    Not necessarily. It could have been Deb's decent into "The Code" and take over where Dexter left off. And Dexter could constantly visit and talk to Deb like their Dad does with Dex.

    But I agree, they can't kill of the show's namesake with an entire season to go.
     
  15. Jan 4, 2013 #95 of 109
    Hcour

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    Did you read my post? I said end the series, not the season. That is, end the series right there with Deb killing Dex. Would have been perfect!

    Not sure if I'm really interested in another season.
     
  16. Jan 4, 2013 #96 of 109
    Hank

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    madscientist

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    The most interesting thing about how this played out is that Dexter didn't kill LaGuerta... Deb did! If Dex hadn't killed Hannah's father earlier in the season, he would still have not violated his code. And Hannah's father was definitely not an innocent, so some arguments could be made there. Actually Deb is worse than Dex since she killed a true innocent.
     
  18. Jan 5, 2013 #98 of 109
    Hank

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    Dex did kill an innocent in an earlier season. He killed that celebrity photog, when the real killer was his assistant. Also, I think there was one other one, too.
     
  19. Jan 5, 2013 #99 of 109
    john4200

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    There was that guy in the restroom that Dexter appeared to beat to death. I guess he might have survived, but it did not look like it.
     
  20. Jan 6, 2013 #100 of 109
    DevdogAZ

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    I thought that was a dream sequence.
     

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