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Dexter S07E12 "Surprise, Motherfckr!" 2012-Dec-16

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by john4200, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. Dec 20, 2012 #61 of 109
    waynomo

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    Agreed. It sounds like they added the images.
     
  2. Dec 20, 2012 #62 of 109
    Fahtrim

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    I was disappointed. I think a good series finale could have been that scene, and Deb actually choosing to shoot Dexter, then holding him then roll credits.

    This was so incredibly sloppy and rushed, even for this show, that it is a disappointment.

    I still think Deb did choose to "poison" herself and that Hannah was playing her cards close b/c that's how she survives.

    I'm sure I'll tune in next season, still kinda fun to watch, just not near the high caliber of TV that it once was.
     
  3. Dec 20, 2012 #63 of 109
    DevdogAZ

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    That's immediately what I thought, too. I think Dexter's whole plan at the end looked like amateur hour. Completely out-of-character for someone normally so fastidious with his planning and execution.
    It will be interesting to see, since the copy at LaGuerta's house certainly wasn't the only copy. There will be copies on file at the PD and probably at the court as well, so it's not like killing LaGuerta and shredding that warrant removes all evidence against Dexter and Deb.
    Totally agree with this. Doakes was a great character, and seeing him again in this episode reminded me how dynamic he was, and how wooden the majority of the supporting players are when compared to him.
    Even after Hannah admitted that she did it when Dexter went to the jail and questioned her about it?
     
  4. Dec 20, 2012 #64 of 109
    Idearat

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    I think they made her admission intentionally nebulous. I agree that yes, she gave the appearance of copping to the drugging. But she did it in a pretty passive manner, with about as much weight as "Yeah, sure, whatever".
     
  5. Dec 20, 2012 #65 of 109
    waynomo

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    I don't agree, but I am not going to get my Bushmaster AR-15 and shoot you down over it either. :)

    It is a possibility, but I think slim. As opposed to real hints that Deb could have poisoned herself, but which proved misleading.

    I admit that I am the happy gullible puppy. I believe what they want me to believe till I am hit over the head with a 2 x 4.

    Time will tell.
     
  6. Dec 20, 2012 #66 of 109
    lew

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    The subpena on the cell phone GPS records is a plot device. Tells us, and the characters, LaGuerta is on the right direction. That she'll have official proof in the near future. Dexter has to do something NOW.

    Would it make posters happier if she said she ordered the Deb's official car GPS data from the archives? Was going to have Deb's car taken to the garage so the data on the onboard computer could be downloaded.? Saying she ordered the subpenas is a quicker and easier way of making the point.

    Good chance Deb's cell phone is owned by Miami Metro and a subpena isn't required. If GPS cell records are being kept Miami Metro would have access without a needing a subpena and probably without even having to contact the phone company.

    What will happen with the subpena. Whatever the writers want.:) Quinn, or someone else, will see it and run with it OR...Laguerta will be thought of as a mentally ill person who was going to kill Estrada and frame Dexter. The subpenas will go in the trash.

    I know it's only fiction but it's amazing how much time is being spent trying to reopen a case which has been closed for more then 5 years and a case which was closed for what maybe a year.

    A better question. How much of our GPS data does Google retain?
     
  7. Dec 20, 2012 #67 of 109
    Rob Helmerichs

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    I think what happened in that conversation is that at first she was wondering if she could get away with denying it, so she played it cagey. Then she realized that Dexter was on to her and wasn't going to believe her if she lied, so she gave up and confessed.

    I don't think there's meant to be any doubt that she did it. I really never did...if Deb did it, then she is the greatest criminal mastermind in the history of crime to pull off such an elaborate and dangerous hoax, allowing herself to be badly but not fatally injured. And Deb has never been any kind of genius. When she's good, it's because she has a hunch and just can't let go, not because she out-thinks everybody.
     
  8. Dec 20, 2012 #68 of 109
    john4200

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    That's a huge exaggeration. It would not be so difficult. Deb had the pills already. It had been mentioned in a previous episode that Hannah may have drugged someone to have a car accident, so Deb did not have to invent that idea. The drug was supposed to be concentrated enough to knock her out quickly. All she had to do was find a deserted road and drive slowly. The chances of survival would be pretty good if it was a level road with little but trees to hit (and she was wearing her seatbelt and the car had airbags). If she was smart enough, she could have even crashed it intentionally (get the car into position, take a big drink of water, then crash before the drug can knock her out).

    As upset and obsessed a state of mind as Deb was in (she even said she would do anything), it is a risk she may have been willing to take.

    That is what I thought when I heard that conversation. But after hearing Hannah's subsequent conversation with Deb at the courthouse, I started to wonder whether Hannah thought that Deb did it to herself and she had just been wondering whether Dexter would believe that Deb did it herself, and decided he would not believe, so she may as well not bother denying it.

    I could see it going either way now. Before this episode, I was 90% certain Deb did it. Now I'm only 50%.
     
  9. Dec 20, 2012 #69 of 109
    lew

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    My thought. Hannah was basically saying I know you use Xanax. You die from Xanax overdose and everyone, maybe including your brother, will think it's a suicide or accidental overdose.

    Hannah was sort of practicing what she'd say when/if Deb dies.
     
  10. Dec 20, 2012 #70 of 109
    john4200

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    That makes no sense. Deb was already dosed with Xanax, and Hannah got blamed for it. Why would Hannah think that if Deb again gets dosed and dies by Xanax, that Hannah would not again be blamed for it?
     
  11. Dec 21, 2012 #71 of 109
    Sacrilegium

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    I don't recall any airport scenes in the finale.
     
  12. Dec 21, 2012 #72 of 109
    danterner

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    ReLAX. ;)
     
  13. Dec 21, 2012 #73 of 109
    Sacrilegium

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    I hate myself for liking this.
     
  14. Dec 21, 2012 #74 of 109
    lew

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    Had Dexter, or anyone else, accused Hannah the fact that Debra had a script for Xanax and was taking a lot of it would have come out. Dexter was "point on notice" that blaming Hannah wouldn't "stick" (unless the writers want it to stick)
     
  15. Dec 21, 2012 #75 of 109
    DevdogAZ

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    :confused: Are you saying it was supposed to be a secret that Deb had a prescription for Xanax? I don't think so. It's a perfectly normal thing. Probably half the police force has a prescription for something like that.
     
  16. Dec 21, 2012 #76 of 109
    lew

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    I assumed the secret was the fact that she was abusing Xanax. Popping the pills like candy. Hannah was in the apartment, saw the date of the script on the bottle and how few pills were left.
     
  17. Dec 21, 2012 #77 of 109
    DevdogAZ

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    But she wasn't. That's the thing. She was being pretty responsible with them, and Hannah drugged her.
     
  18. Dec 23, 2012 #78 of 109
    Lee 2.0

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    Angel.
     
  19. Dec 23, 2012 #79 of 109
    Lee 2.0

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    Didn't she and Hall get married and then divorced during the run of the show? Anyone who could believably handle the nuances of that messed up onscreen relationship while dealing with an IRL relationship with the same person would definitely have my Emmy vote. That must have been miserable.
     
  20. Dec 26, 2012 #80 of 109
    Agatha Mystery

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    I got behind on watching, so I ended up watching several episodes over the weekend. I immediately looked at my spouse and said "she should be covered in blood" when Deb hugged LaGuerta. I saw a little snippet afterward of the director (or maybe producer) saying that Jennifer Carpenter wasn't directed to hug LaGuerta after shooting her. She just went and did it in the moment. I guess it is possible to hug someone like that without getting blood on you, but you'd have to be careful and Deb wasn't.

    there really isn't any good way to cover up this one. Deb needed to keep it together and say that she caught LaGuerta trying to set up Dexter, shooting what's his face, and then she shot LaGuerta. Otherwise, Deb's bullet is in LaGuerta and unless they dug it out, there is no way that Deb won't get caught there.

    As far as Hannah, I wondered if Deb had dosed herself to blame it on Hannah. She said that she would do anything to put her away, and that would do it.
     

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