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Dexter S07E12 "Surprise, Motherfckr!" 2012-Dec-16

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by john4200, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. Dec 17, 2012 #21 of 109
    markp99

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    With LaGuerta gone, will anyone recall the pending subpoena to collect Deb & Dexter's phone/GPS history?
     
  2. Dec 17, 2012 #22 of 109
    Hank

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    That's why I said "that's a bigger, but not unsurmountable problem." :)
     
  3. Dec 17, 2012 #23 of 109
    sharkster

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    The orchid was black. I wonder if that was some kind of death message. OTOH, I don't think she wants Dexter dead, but maybe still Deb. I think she will disappear to get off Deb's radar and sacrifice her relationship with Dexter because that's about the only choice she has. She knows that, Dexter knowing Deb will never be safe with Hannah around, she cannot be safe either.

    Somewhere in the back of my head, I've been thinking that it is possible that Matthews has always known what Dexter is, what with his relationship with the family over the decades and all, plus he was the only one who also knew about Dexter's childhood situation. In my head it reads like 'he knows and doesn't have an issue with it, nor would he EVER tell anybody'.

    Wonder how LaGuerta suddenly turned into a smart cop, anyway. When she was out there working as a Lt, and in other capacities, she was not too good at it.
     
  4. Dec 17, 2012 #24 of 109
    tiams

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    Nope. That will just be another one of many plot holes.

    I find it totally unbelievable that Hannah wouldn't reveal Dexter to be the BHB after he had her arrested. Anybody facing a murder conviction would try and trade that info for a deal.

    I knew from the beginning of the season that they would make Deb a murderer also so that she can't feel superior to Dex.
     
  5. Dec 17, 2012 #25 of 109
    Amnesia

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    Perhaps she always had the backup plan for escaping from custody.
     
  6. Dec 17, 2012 #26 of 109
    DVDivo Tim

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    It's almost like they've setup the storyline for Batista to instantly undo his retirement and become obsessed with finding LaGuerta's killer. Of course, that's barring David Zayas leaving the show as part of the retirement storyline (I haven't heard one way or another). But, who else really cares about LaGuerta enough?
     
  7. Dec 17, 2012 #27 of 109
    waynomo

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    She was extremely upset at first. I was referring to her stroll with Dexter at the NYE's party. There she did not appear upset.

    However, I will retract what I said. I just re-watched it. "at peace" was probably not quite right. She was calm, but I get more the impression that she was numb inside. Maybe shell shocked. But very calm. Maybe she has accepted what she has done.
     
  8. Dec 17, 2012 #28 of 109
    mooseAndSquirrel

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    Deb hugged Luguerta and then had no blood on her at the party.

    Still, I liked the season for the most part. The intern was annoying and then gone, and Laguerta wa always annoying. Having Dex trying to protect Deb and then Deb protecting Dexter made for some good scenes.

    So I think the "through and through" theory holds and that they will have staged it. Still, suspicions are aroused. I wonder if the series finale could feature Lumen and Hannah in some way.

    I'm glad they did something different. The Dexter killing serial killers and the season Big Bads was getting stale for me.
     
  9. Dec 18, 2012 #29 of 109
    JLucPicard

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    I just watched this and as to the stroll at the end, I took it as Deb being in shock with all that had just happened.

    If there is any 'truth' to them being able to trace the whereabouts of the cell phone after the fact, that's really going to cause Deb problems. Her and Dexter leaving the scene means Deb's story needs to be she was never there because had she been, she would have called in the crime scene and stayed there for the investigation. Her leaving means she can't have ever been there, period. If her cell phone puts her there, big trouble (if anyone were to actually check that, but why would there be a reason to?).

    And it took until mooseAndSquirrel's post, but the first thing I thought when they were walking through the party is there is no way Deb isn't covered in LaGuerta's blood. Although...

    in the talk with the producer they showed after the credits rolled, he said that Deb running over and embracing LaGuerta was not scripted at all - they just left the cameras rolling at the end of that shot and she did that on her own. Made for a good scene, but totally messed with the continuity when the next scene shows her dress perfectly clean.
     
  10. Dec 18, 2012 #30 of 109
    waynomo

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    But it is fiction. They could have cut before she went to hug LaGuerta or reshot it a dozen times if they needed to. If they want this to be a problem it will be. If not, then we just have to accept it. I mean we accept the rest of the premise of the show; there is a serial killer working for Miami Metro, but he only kills bad people (till now.) So accepting that somehow magically there is no blood on Deb is not a big leap. I mean I thought the same thing. It was a bit strange, but it is what it is.
     
  11. Dec 18, 2012 #31 of 109
    VegasVic

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    I just hope at some point Hannah doesn't get Dexter on the table. Too predictable. Especially if that's how the series ends. I wish the Hannah storyline had wrapped up.
     
  12. Dec 18, 2012 #32 of 109
    lew

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    It's fiction. In the Dexter universe autopsies don't see seem to be needed if the blood spatter expert, and detectives on the scene, can figure out what happened without it. or In the Dexter universe the medical examiner is lazy and or incompetent. Want a different "solution". Estrada's gun becomes a shotgun and is more then enough to cover damage from the knife.

    Some interesting comments from the producers. I'll spoilerize it but it reflects what they might do. They haven't made a decision. They don't even know if next season will be the last season. The final decision may cause them to change direction of the show during the season.

    They'd like to bring Hannah back but don't have the actress under contract. They think Lumen is better off without Dexter in her life. Doesn't sound like she'll be back.
     
  13. Dec 18, 2012 #33 of 109
    Amnesia

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    From what I read, the idea that next season would be the last is coming from Showtime, not the producers themselves. But if the ratings next season stay as high as they've been, it wouldn't surprise me if the channel wanted to keep going (assuming of course that the major actors would want to continue for reasonable salaries)
     
  14. Dec 18, 2012 #34 of 109
    nyny523

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    :up::D
     
  15. Dec 18, 2012 #35 of 109
    lew

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    At the risk of saying the obvious. Showtime doesn't have commercials. Dexter doesn't lend itself to product placement. That means the money for Dexter has to come out of whatever budget Showtime has for original programming. My understanding is actors, even those receiving reasonable salaries, get a "bump" based on how long the show has been on the air. Keeping the show on, even for one extra season, might not make sense if it means a promising new series is lost.
     
  16. Dec 18, 2012 #36 of 109
    john4200

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    If the show does not get the details right, then it is not possible for people who watch carefully to draw the right conclusions and make correct predictions about what has happened or will happen. Being able to do such things is part of the enjoyment of a show like this for many people. Just saying "it is TV" or it is "fiction" is not a good argument for the show to get the details wrong.
     
  17. Dec 18, 2012 #37 of 109
    smbaker

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    This is my belief as well. The interactions between Matthews and Dexter this season seemed like Matthews wasn't so much interrogating Dexter as he was tipping Dexter off to LaGuerta's suspicions. He also tried repeatedly to convince LaGuerta to back off. I think Matthews has known all along and doesn't mind Dexter's killing off of the bad guys.

    Now, what about killing an obviously innocent person, LaGuerta? I don't think Matthews would have a problem with that either. She seriously F'ed up his career. She was a threat to Dexter. She was encouraged repeatedly to back off, but didn't.

    I missed there being a season-wide serial killer foe for Dexter this season. I think the other seasons have generally worked well that way. The only villain I truly disliked was Travis. I had Olmos pegged as dead from his first episode, and Travis just wasn't sufficient as a villain.

    This season felt a little bit soap opera. Too many meandering subplots surrounding Hannah. Too much Deb/Hannah conflict. Not a whole lot of suspense. Not enough of Dexter running around killing people.

    As far as the resolution, I'll bet they will return to the scene after the New Years party and frame it up exactly as described. Deb shooting LaGuerta through a wrench into the plan, but they'll figure out how to "fix" it.

    Deb and Dexter have a decent alibi, the party. Now that LaGuerta is dead, there's nobody to aggressively investigate Dexter or Deb. LaGuerta already came off as obsessed with Estrada, it's believable that she further interacted with him and they killed one another.

    Perhaps Matthews can somehow rejoin the department. If not, who will be the new captain? Maybe they can introduce a new character.

    As an aside, I liked seeing Doakes again. He was my favorite supporting character of the series.
     
  18. Dec 18, 2012 #38 of 109
    Idearat

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    It would probably mess with Deb's internal moral conflict even more if they promoted her into the spot. Assuming they get away with the killing without a hint of scandal she'd easily be considered for at least a temporary replacement.
     
  19. Dec 18, 2012 #39 of 109
    danterner

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    My memory of the first season is hazy, since I haven't rewatched since it first aired. How much of the footage of Doakes/Dexter from this episode was actual flashback to previously shot scenes, and how much (if anything) was new retcon footage with the actor returning to reprise his role?
     
  20. Dec 18, 2012 #40 of 109
    lew

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    I remember the Doakes clips as airing season 2. I don't think anything new was shot. I don't even think any footage shot but not previously aired was used.
     

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