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Dexter 7/7/13

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by jamesbobo, Jul 8, 2013.

  1. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

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    Not really possible. She drank it in the daytime, maybe early afternoon? Then she and Elway went to that apartment, then later she went to the storage facility. She was not obviously drugged at any point there.
     
  2. markymark_ctown

    markymark_ctown Active Member

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    perhaps the first unfunny use of "that's what she said"
     
  3. pmyers

    pmyers Active Member

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    I'll have to rewatch that scene but I don't remember hearing anything that would think that she didn't do it. I remember her being pretty clear that she shot him. I didn't get any impression of ambaguity.

    I do remember her saying something about being in a fog or something but she seemed pretty clear that she did shoot him.
     
  4. markp99

    markp99 TakoKichi TCF Club

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    I assume that Deb had a second gun on her person then, correct? Or maybe in her car??

    Her butt-mounted weapon was taken from her by El Sapo, and those pants were much too tight (in a good way) to permit concealment... ;)
     
  5. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time TCF Club

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    That's what I remember.

    As for Vogel, while evil, I don't think she will kill Dexter. I think more likely she will weep as Dexter is somehow destroyed. I think she likes/loves the monster she created.

    I also like how Dexter referred to Vogel as Dr. Frankenstein. I mentioned this reference in the discussion of last weeks episode.

    It will be interesting to watch and see what other parallels they draw. It's been a long time since I have read the book or watched the movie. Somehow I don't think all of Miami will be chasing after Dexter with pitchforks and torches. Maybe Abbot and Costello will show up? :D
     
  6. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    I don't think there is any reason to believe that, as a cop/bounty hunter, that Deb wouldn't have access to more than one gun. She didn't need to be carrying it on her person or find it in the storage unit. We don't know how much time supposedly passed between El Sapo leaving her in the storage unit and El Sapo being shot. Could have been a couple hours. Could have been miles away from the storage unit.

    No reason at this point to believe Deb didn't take the jewelry.

    I don't see either of those as plot holes.
     
  7. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

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    Yes, you obviously do need to rewatch, as well as reread, since there are two obvious holes in that story that I already pointed out.

    Anyway, Deb said she remembers standing over his body, but she did not remember anything else.
     
  8. john4200

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    How could it possibly be miles away from the storage unit if Deb was the shooter? El Sapo had a large lead on her when he left the storage unit and closed the door on her, and she was just laying there, seriously fcked up from the beating he gave her. There is no plausible way that she managed to get to her car and follow him for miles.

    And there is a very good reason to believe Deb did not take the bag of jewelry. First, it was not visible in her room. She was so out of it that she did not even manage to close the door to her room. It is not likely that she would have done anything except drop the bag on the floor. Second, when Dexter confronted her, she did not say anything about the jewelry and she had no clear memory of shooting El Sapo. If she had the jewelry, then her reaction would have been a lot different.
     
  9. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    So she could not have gotten out of the storage unit fast enough to get in her car and follow him, but she did get out of the storage unit fast enough to walk up to his car and shoot him? :confused:

    If they showed us the jewelry when Dexter went to her house, then it would have been obvious at that point that she killed El Sapo. But since we weren't supposed to know that until later in the episode, they couldn't give that information away so early.
     
  10. pmyers

    pmyers Active Member

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    I agree that Deb took the jewelry.
     
  11. pmyers

    pmyers Active Member

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    I suggest us both rewatch. ;)

    I'd bet money I heard her say the words "I shot him".
     
  12. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    That's a very good idea.


    That's a very bad idea.
     
  13. pmyers

    pmyers Active Member

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    Just rewatched. Dexter says I know you killed santo, what happened? She said she doesn't remember but that the next thing she remembers is she's standing over a dead body. I still don't get any indication that she doesn't think she killed him nor should the audience think otherwise, IMO.
     
  14. john4200

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    I'm not sure why you are so confused. I already said the story that she shot him has two big holes. Hint: that means I do not think it is plausible that Deb shot El Sapo. :rolleyes:
     
  15. john4200

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    So, you admit Deb did not say the words "I shot him". How much money do you owe me?

    And you need to rewatch again. There is no "santo". It is El Sapo.

    Just because Dexter mostly convinced Deb that she shot El Sapo does not mean that she actually did it. As I already said, there are two big holes in the story if Deb shot him, and in addition to Deb saying that she is fuzzy about it and has no memory of shooting El Sapo, we know that Deb was very out of it since she just got the sht kicked out of her and when she stumbled home she was so confused that she could not even shut her outside door.
     
  16. VegasVic

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    Maybe since both Dexter and Breaking Bad are ending they'll spin off Deb in Breaking Bad II.
     
  17. pmyers

    pmyers Active Member

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    Have you rewatched it yet?
     
  18. robojerk

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    The whole Deb/El Sapo murder things makes no sense to me. Either the this is sloppy TV, or a big piece of the puzzle is missing.
    • I don't think El Sapo was killed in the storage unit's parking lot. I doubt Deb would have been able escape and to track him down so quickly.
    • If Deb killed El Sapo, why would she need try to cover it up? He gave her a bad enough beating, he's a known hitman, and she has friends in the local PD. She could probably pin the murder of the guy she was with from episode 1 on El Sapo too.
    • She "kind of" suggests to Dexter she killed him, but seemed super vague about it, but why would she suggest she did it if she's so vague about it? I think she would have just said to Dexter "I don't know what happened." Seems like a misdirection the show is giving us.
    The paranoid side of me wants to suggest her boss had something to do with it. Why? <shrug>TV Magic..</shrug>
     
  19. pmyers

    pmyers Active Member

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    I agree that El Sapo probably wasn't killed in the storage parking lot. That would also explain why she could get another gun.

    I would expect most of our questions/concerns to be cleared up next week. Sometimes I think they do this just to keep us talking for a week! lol
     
  20. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    Regarding the bolded, the fact that she was beaten doesn't matter. The way El Sapo was killed cannot be passed off as self-defense for the beating Deb took. How is she going to be able to explain that he beat her up and then got back in his car and then she shot him? That's not self defense.
     

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