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Daily Ratings thread

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by astrohip, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. Mar 14, 2013 #741 of 2557
    aindik

    aindik Well-Known Member

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    Yep. A week of Idol gives you 54 minutes of inventory. A week of some $4 million per episode sitcom only gives you 9 minutes (plus additional 9 minutes at lower rate for each time you rerun it, which you don't get with Idol because it's never rerun). You can't compare the budgets of the two based on "per episode" cost.
     
  2. Mar 14, 2013 #742 of 2557
    DreadPirateRob

    DreadPirateRob Seriously?

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    A profit of $50M per week can certainly pay for a lot of celebrity judges/hosts/guests and still leave Fox floating in money.
     
  3. Mar 14, 2013 #743 of 2557
    Azlen

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    At it's peak, AI was the most profitable show on television. With the ratings drop off, they aren't going to be able to command the same ad rates they have in the past. It's still profitable, but it is far from the money making juggernaut that it was in previous seasons.
     
  4. Mar 14, 2013 #744 of 2557
    aindik

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    At $1.33 million per hour cost and $18 million per hour in revenue, it has a long way to fall before they stop making it.

    Though we should consider that Fox doesn't get all 18 minutes. The affiliates get some of that. Though Fox owns some of the biggest affiliates.
     
  5. Mar 14, 2013 #745 of 2557
    DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    I was going to point out that of the 18 minutes of ad time, some is for network promotion, some is for local affiliates, so they're probably only able to sell about 14 minutes per hour, or 28 spots per hour. Assuming $400k per spot (that article is old), that's a gross of about $11 million per hour. It would be very interesting to know how the money is distributed between the studio and the network in a situation like this.

    I can pretty much guarantee that Fremantle isn't licensing the show for $2 million per episode and letting FOX keep all that profit. I wouldn't be surprised if Fremantle gets $5 mil or more per episode. It's how Simon Cowell got so rich so fast.
     
  6. Mar 14, 2013 #746 of 2557
    Azlen

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    In any case, it's still not "cheap" to produce, very profitable, but not cheap as far as reality shows go. Something like Hell's Kitchen is probably much much cheaper to produce.
     
  7. Mar 14, 2013 #747 of 2557
    DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    Doesn't matter how cheap a show is to produce. What's more important are the ratings, which determine ad rates. Since AI is still getting better ratings than almost everything else on TV, it's OK that it's not nearly as cheap to produce as lesser reality shows. I'm sure FOX would much prefer AI at $6 million per episode and 3-4 ratings, vs. Hell's Kitchen at $2 million per episode and 1.5-2 ratings.
     
  8. Mar 14, 2013 #748 of 2557
    Azlen

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    That is fully realized. The initial comment was that it was a cheap show to produce and I didn't think that was the case based on what they were paying the judges and it turns out that Seacrest is making a pretty good salary as well.
     
  9. Mar 14, 2013 #749 of 2557
    mattack

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    I don't disagree with you, but I thought it was amusing (and mentally got me "out of the show" temporarily) that Hell's Kitchen flew everyone to L.A. just to fool them with "Nope, that's not your real destination", then flew them to Vegas.. (SouthWest is apparently a sponsor or product placement or something.. but how can they legally have a regular airline flight "leaving in 10 minutes" from them at the door? Or was it really chartered, but using a 'regular' airplane?)
     
  10. Mar 14, 2013 #750 of 2557
    JYoung

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    From the LA Times in 2011:

    That's twice the estimated cost per hour tossed around here for AI.
    It may be more expensive than a lot of other reality shows but it's still significantly cheaper than scripted shows.


    If they flew into LAX, Southwest has flights going to Vegas about every hour during the day.
     
  11. Mar 15, 2013 #751 of 2557
    Azlen

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    Four million an episode for AI is probably puts it on par or more expensive than many scripted programs and definitely one of the most expensive reality shows. I'm sure it was much cheaper early on but I don't think it can really be considered "cheap" programming any longer.
     
  12. Mar 15, 2013 #752 of 2557
    DreadPirateRob

    DreadPirateRob Seriously?

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    Heck, Rob Thomas (creator of Veronica Mars) said their budget was $1.8M/episode. And that was on the UPN/CW back in the mid-200s.
     
  13. Mar 15, 2013 #753 of 2557
    JYoung

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    :confused::confused:

    Where are you getting $4 million per episode for AI?
    The Hollywood Reporter article you linked to said $2 million per episode.
     
  14. Mar 15, 2013 #754 of 2557
    aindik

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    He got it from my post. I said it's $4 million per week. They air 2 episodes a week, for three total hours a week.
     
  15. Mar 15, 2013 #755 of 2557
    JYoung

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    Not an apples to apples comparison then.
     
  16. Mar 15, 2013 #756 of 2557
    aindik

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    Agreed. Just noting where the number 4 came from.
     
  17. Mar 15, 2013 #757 of 2557
    astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Overnight ratings for Thursday, March 14, 2013:

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    Time    Net     Show                        18-49Rtng/Shr    Viewers
    8:00PM  CBS     The Big Bang Theory         4.5  15          15.71
            FOX     American Idol               3.0  10          11.63
            ABC     Shark Tank -R               1.3  4           4.60
            CW      The Vampire Diaries         1.1  4           2.49
            NBC     Community                   1.0  4           2.61
            
    8:30PM  CBS     Two and a Half Men          3.3  10          12.40
            NBC     Parks and Recreation        1.6  5           3.01
            
    9:00PM  CBS     Person Of Interest          2.9  8           14.57
            ABC     Grey's Anatomy              2.6  7           8.05
            FOX     Glee                        2.0  6           5.46
            NBC     The Office                  1.9  5           3.55
            CW      Beauty And The Beast        0.5  1           1.54
            
    9:30PM  NBC     1600 Penn                   1.0  3           2.29
                        
    10:00PM CBS     Elementary                  2.4  7           11.49
            ABC     Scandal -R                  1.2  4           4.28
            NBC     Law & Order: SVU -R         0.9  3           3.72
    comments from TVbytheNumbers:

    NOTE: CBS programming was pre-empted/delayed in approximately 3% of the country due to ACC and SEC conference basketball tournaments. Ratings for CBS are tentative and likely to change

    CBS won the night in adults 18-49 and with Total Viewers.

    Adult 18-49 usage last night was down -9% from 8-9pm and -6% from 8-10pm versus last Thursday

    On CBS, The Big Bang Theory earned a season-low tying 4.5 adults 18-49 rating down a full ratings point from the 5.5 for its last original. Two and a Half Men scored a 3.3, down six tenths from its last original's 3.9 adults 18-49. Person Of Interest garnered a 2.9, up a tenth from last week's 2.8 among adults 18-49. Elementary was even with its last original, which earned a 2.4 on February 22

    On FOX, American Idol scored a 3.0 adults 18-49 rating, down six tenths from last week’s 3.6. This is an all-time low for a regularly scheduled edition Glee earned a 2.0 adults 18-49 rating down four tenths from last week's 2.4

    On ABC, Grey's Anatomy was the only new program and earned a series low 2.6, down half a ratings point after its last original's 3.1.

    On NBC, Community garnered a series-low 1.0, down half a ratings point from last week's 1.5 adults 18-49 rating.. The Office earned a 1.9, down a tenth after its last original's 2.0. Parks and Recreation earned a 1.6, up two tenths from its last original's 1.4 adults 18-49 rating 1600 Penn earned a 1.0, up a tenth after last week's 0.9 among adults 18-49.

    On The CW, The Vampire Diaries earned a 1.1, down two tenths after its last original's 1.3. Beauty And The Beast was even with its last original's 0.5.
     
  18. Mar 15, 2013 #758 of 2557
    astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Not a great night for TV. Several lows...

     
  19. Mar 15, 2013 #759 of 2557
    WhiskeyTango

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    Network television just got kicked in the nuts last night.
     
  20. Mar 15, 2013 #760 of 2557
    zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Maybe its because in March and April nobody knows when things are on.
    I just let the DVR find it now. How many of you know when they air "This Old House"? Around here its show one or two then wait 3 or 4 weeks.

    As a result they better start measuring Live+7 and publish that.

    At least with Cable they shoot their load and that's that.
     

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