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Daily Ratings thread

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by astrohip, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. Mar 14, 2013 #721 of 2538
    TIVO_GUY_HERE

    TIVO_GUY_HERE I miss the ocean

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    Thanks for doing this.
     
  2. Mar 14, 2013 #722 of 2538
    astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Overnight ratings for Wednesday, March 13, 2013:

    Code:
    Time    Net     Show                       18-49 Rating/Share       Viewers 
    8:00PM  FOX     American Idol (8-10PM)      3.6     11          13.08
            CBS     Survivor: Caramoan          2.5     8           9.55
            ABC     The Middle -R               1.3     4           4.69
            NBC     Whitney                     1.2     4           3.43
            CW      Arrow -R                    0.5     2           1.68
        
    8:30PM  ABC     The Neighbors               1.4     4           4.73
            NBC     Whitney -R                  0.8     3           2.53
        
    9:00PM  ABC     Modern Family  -R           1.8     5           5.13
            CBS     Criminal Minds -R           1.8     5           7.28
            NBC     Law & Order: SVU -R         1.2     3           4.61
            CW      Supernatural -R             0.4     1           1.35
            
    9:30PM  ABC     Suburgatory -R              1.3     4           4.98
            
    10:00PM CBS     CSI -R                      1.7     5           7.84
            NBC     Chicago Fire -R             1.1     3           3.84
            ABC     Nashville -R                0.7     2           2.77
    comments from TVbytheNumbers:

    NOTE: Usage last night in A18-49 was down -9% from 8-10pm and -7% from 8-11pm versus last Wednesday.

    FOX was the number one network in adults 18-49 and with total viewers.

    On FOX, American Idol earned a 3.6 adults 18-49 rating down two tenths from last week’s 3.8

    On CBS, Survivor scored a 2.5 adults 18-49 rating down a tenth from last week’s 2.6.

    On ABC, The Neighbors garnered a 1.4, down three tenths from last week's 1.7 adults 18-49 rating.

    On NBC, Whitney garnered a 1.2, down a tenth from last week's 1.3 adults 18-49 rating.
     
  3. Mar 14, 2013 #723 of 2538
    WhiskeyTango

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    Damn, Idol premiered this year to a 6.0 & almost 18 million viewers. That was just under 2 months ago.

    I know, I know, it still does better than almost everything else blah blah blah. But still losing 2.4 demo points and 5 million viewers in 8 weeks is not something to be overlooked.
     
  4. Mar 14, 2013 #724 of 2538
    Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    I kind of enjoyed it last year, even though I didn't think it was my kind of show. This year, it's kind of a serious version of Glee, without the fun stuff. I watched the first 3--4 episodes of the season and quit. Wife still kind of likes it so SP has not been deleted, but she can just watch without me.
     
  5. Mar 14, 2013 #725 of 2538
    Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    I think we've finally hit Idol burn out. I have never watched but I do get the charm of the judges during the earlier seasons. I don't think people are compelled with it like they used to, and there's, what, 5 or 6 similar shows now? I wonder how the ratings would have been had ABC shown first run of their comedies? Only The Neighbors, arguably the weakest of their comedies was new.

    That said, with all the hype about a "Survivor you won't want to miss" they still were down from last week and did not beat Idol.
     
  6. Mar 14, 2013 #726 of 2538
    astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    This. I used to watch Idol, but after 5 (6, 7?) seasons, it's pretty much the same thing over and over. Same with Survivor. I think I made it 22 seasons before I finally said enough.

    There comes a point, unless they find a way to really keep a show fresh, that burn-out truly sets in. My wife & I were talking about this the other night. We love Criminal Minds. Never miss it. But after 5 (6, 7?) seasons, we can almost write the stories ourselves. We enjoy the characters, but they have to find a way to keep it fresh. Sitcoms are slightly exempt from this rule, as long as they stay funny. OK, and fresh.:rolleyes:
     
  7. Mar 14, 2013 #727 of 2538
    JYoung

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    Idol is still (relatively) cheap to make so it's still making a lot of money for Fox and they're going to milk it for all it's worth.
     
  8. Mar 14, 2013 #728 of 2538
    DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    You can't really compare the ratings this week to the ratings for the season premiere. Idol has always had higher ratings for the audition episodes compared to random weeks during the middle of the competition. To determine whether the show is falling, you have to compare its ratings with the similar week from the previous year.
    This is season 12 of American Idol.
     
  9. Mar 14, 2013 #729 of 2538
    Azlen

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    How much are the judges making this year? I would think that it would still be on the more expensive side of things as far as reality shows go.
     
  10. Mar 14, 2013 #730 of 2538
    cwoody222

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    NBC paid up-front for all 17 episodes. That's probably the only reason it's being shown. They're already paid for.
     
  11. Mar 14, 2013 #731 of 2538
    MikeCC

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    The way Smash was promoted and hyped over and over and over, and the way Smash is still on the network despite ratings that are starting to look bad even compared to shows on the CW, I almost think this is a vanity project for a few NBC execs: maybe a few are just too enamoured of Broadway shows they forget business basics.

    Candidly, why is this still on the air? It can't be cheap. Ad rates have to be next to nothing given the godawful viewership. NBC may have already paid for the eps, but that's a sunk cost.

    Continuing to air the show, when they could substitute a reality piece of crap that would bring in better revenue, makes little business sense.

    That's why I think some honcho at NBC is too in love with Broadway.
     
  12. Mar 14, 2013 #732 of 2538
    cwoody222

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    aindik

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    What do you mean by "it can't be cheap"? It's already paid for. Running them doesn't cost them anything out of pocket compared to not running them.
     
  14. Mar 14, 2013 #734 of 2538
    MikeCC

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    Yes, I pointed out that the cost of production is alreaady a sunk cost, that is, incurred whether or not the eps air.

    My point was that the opportunity cost has to be significant. Your phrasing sounds as if you may not think the missed ad revenue may not be too big a deal. I just wonder if NBC has to do any make goods to sponsors because of the paltry Smash viewership, in addition to the network's foregoing getter ad sales with another program.
     
  15. Mar 14, 2013 #735 of 2538
    JYoung

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    That may be (I honestly don't know how much the judges are making) but I'm sure that Idol is much cheaper than a scripted show, even if the judges are making "Friends" wages.

    They're already moving the show to Saturday night (which is a ratings graveyard) and replacing it on Tuesdays with a reality dating show so I don't see your point here.
     
  16. Mar 14, 2013 #736 of 2538
    aindik

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    On Saturday night I don't think it is.

    One wonders if they'd make more money not airing the episodes and instead selling them for first run on DVD, BluRay, iTunes, etc.
     
  17. Mar 14, 2013 #737 of 2538
    Azlen

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    This article is slightly dated but it estimates the cost per show at $2 million which would put it on the high side of things and much more expensive than most scripted shows. That wasn't such a big deal when they had the ratings they were getting.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/id...fer-lopez-steven-tyler-salary-cutbacks-349266


    "Idol this season commanded between $468,100 and $502,900 for a 30-second commercial spot, according to Ad Age, second only to Sunday Night Football among TV broadcasts. But the ratings drop likely will impact those rates -- and with it, the money Fox and Fremantle spend to produce the show, which is believed to be in the $2 million-per-episode range"
     
  18. Mar 14, 2013 #738 of 2538
    aindik

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    That's $4 million for 3 hours a week of TV. IOW the math is slightly different in that you're dealing with 2 hour episodes half the time.
     
  19. Mar 14, 2013 #739 of 2538
    WhiskeyTango

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    Ok.

    March 15, 2012 - 5.3 rating, 17.8 million viewers.

    March 13, 2013 - 3.6 rating, 13.0 million viewers.

    My initial point was just that the ratings have been falling every week since it started this season, and falling hard.
     
  20. Mar 14, 2013 #740 of 2538
    DreadPirateRob

    DreadPirateRob Seriously?

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    With those ad rates - and let's just say $500,000 for 30 second spots to make the math easier - that's still about $54M a week in ad revenue (using the traditional network average of 18 minutes of commercials for every hour of airtime). That's incredibly lucrative when the show only costs $4M per week to produce.
     

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