1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Creating HD-DVDs and Blu-ray disks with TivoToGo using DVD media...

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 23, 2007.

  1. Oct 23, 2007 #1 of 195
    bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    7,902
    2
    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    Last Updated: 12/27.

    You can create HD-DVD and Blu-ray compatible disks in a matter of minutes using high-definition recordings transferred from the TivoHD or Series3.

    You do not need a HD-DVD or Blu-ray writer; you can do this using standard DVDs. You can do this because both high-definition formats support high-definition playback from DVD media.

    Requirements
    1. Windows PC

    2. TivoHD or Tivo Series3

    3. Tivo Desktop 2.5.1 (free)

    4. PC DVD writer

    5. 4.7Gb and/or 8.5Gb DVD-R blanks (see FAQ #6 at bottom for DVD+R blanks)

    6. VideoRedo ($49.99, but 14-day free trial available)

    7. HD Patch (freeware)

    8. Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6 Plus ($79.99, but 30-day free trial available) or Nero v8.

      Ulead's DVD MovieFactory 6 Plus is by far the best software for creating HD-DVD compatible DVDs, but it requires a $20 plug-in to create Blu-ray compatible DVDs. Be sure to download and install both updates for Ulead MovieFactory 6 Plus before you start.

      Nero v8 can also be used to create Blu-ray compatible DVDs. It will do this out of the box, but it will not create HD-DVD compatible DVDs.

    To play HD-DVD compatible DVDs, you'll need a Toshiba HD-DVD player or the Xbox360 HD-DVD add-on. If you don't have a HD-DVD player, you can also test playback on your PC using software such as WinDVD or PowerDVD.

    To play the Blu-ray compatible DVDs, you need a Sony PS3, Sony BDP-S1, Sony BDP-S300, or Pioneer Elite BDP-HD1 Blu-ray player. Other Blu-ray players do not support these disks.


    Instructions for Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6 Plus
    1. Download a high-definition recording from your TiVo. Screenshot #1, #2.

    2. Launch VideoRedo, click 'Open Video,' and select the .Tivo recording from your Tivo Recordings folder. Screenshot.

    3. If your Tivo recording has commercials, select Ad-Detective -> Start Ad-Detective Scan in VideoRedo to automatically mark all commercials for removal. Click Save As.. in VideoRedo to save the recording without commercials to your hard drive in .MPG format. Screenshot.

    4. Open the .MPG in HDPatch. If the reported Bitrate is more than 25000000 (25Mbps), then change it to 25000000 and click "Patch Stream." If the reported Bitrate is less than 25000000, no change is required and you can exit the app. Screenshot.

    5. Launch ULead DVD Movie Factory Plus and choose "New Video Project." Screenshot.

      For HD-DVD compatible DVDs: From the "Create Video Disk" dialog, choose HD-DVD.

      For Blu-ray compatible DVDs: From the "Create Video Disk" dialog, choose AVCHD.
      Note: This involves a time-consuming re-encode to MPEG-4 AVC.

      For Blu-ray using BD-R media: From the "Create Video Disk" dialog, choose Blu-ray and BDMV.

    6. Click the "Add video files" button (second icon, top left) and select the the .MPG file you saved in step four. If Movie Factory asks you to change the project settings to match the video, select yes. Screenshot.

    7. Click Next.

    8. Select a title screen template (just like Powerpoint). Right-click to edit the title and text on the title screen. Screenshot.

    9. Click Next.

    10. If using DVD-R media, click "Burn" to create the disk. Screenshot.

      If using DVD+R media, several additional steps are required:

      1. De-select "Create to Disk" and check "Create HD-DVD folders." Specify the folder where you want the files to be saved. Screenshot.

      2. Click Burn to create the HD-DVD folders on your hard drive.

      3. Once MovieFactory6 Plus is done creating the folders, close it.

      4. Open Nero Burning ROM v6, v7, or v8.

        1. Select Recorder -> Change Recorder and select Options. Change the Book Type setting to "Physical Disc Type" and click OK.

        2. Select "DVD-ROM (UDF)" on the left side of the screen.

        3. On the "Multisession" tab, select "No Multisession." On the "UDF" tab, click the "Options" pull-down and select "Enable Xbox (TM) compatibility mode." Ignore any warnings. Screenshot.

        4. Click the "New" button at the bottom of the dialog.

      5. Drag and drop the HVDVD_TS folder you just created with Movie Factory6 Plus into Nero. Screenshot.

      6. Burn the disc by clicking on the "Burn" button on the toolbar.

    Instructions for Nero v8 (Blu-ray compatible DVDs only; does not do HD-DVD compatible DVDs)
    1. Download a high-definition recording from your TiVo. Screenshot #1, #2.

    2. Launch VideoRedo, click 'Open Video,' and select the .Tivo recording from your Tivo Recordings folder. Screenshot.

    3. If your Tivo recording has commercials, select Ad-Detective -> Start Ad-Detective Scan in VideoRedo to automatically mark all commercials for removal. Click Save As.. in VideoRedo to save the recording without commercials to your hard drive in .MPG format. Screenshot.

    4. Open Nero Vision and select Make DVD -> AVCHD.

    5. On the right, select the type of media you will be using (DVD or DVD-9)

    6. Click "Add Video Files..." and browse to the MPG you created in step #3. Alternatively, you can drag and drop the MPG created into the window.

    7. Hit the More >> button and click Video Options.

      In Video Options, select the AVCHD tab and click the "Configure Encoder..." button -- select High Quality or Highest Quality (depending on what you want). On the AVCHD tab, also select "High Quality (2-Pass VBR)" as the encoding mode. Click OK to close Video Options.

    8. If you want to select a menu design, click Next. Otherwise, Check "Create chapters automatically."

    9. Click Next.

    10. Select a menu template (if you want one).

    11. Click Next.

    12. Click Burn.

    No re-encoding is necessary when creating HD-DVD compatible DVDs and Blu-ray disks with Ulead DVD MovieFactory, so disks can be created in as little as 10-15 minutes, depending on the speed of your PC and DVD/BD burner. Recording quality with these HD-DVD compatible DVDs is 100% identical to what you saw with your TiVo.

    Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for Blu-ray authoring on DVD in MovieFactory or Nero. Movie Factory6 Plus will burn recordings from the TiVo to Blu-ray media without re-encoding, but for DVD, both Nero and MovieFactory require a very time-consuming conversion to MPEG-4 AVC. The recordings remain high-definition, but quality is not quite as good as the original source file. There is one benefit of this conversion to MPEG-4 AVC with Nero-- it allows you to fit high-definition recordings on disk that would not otherwise fit with MPEG-2, such as movies from Hdnet.


    Important Note

    When creating HD-DVD compatible disks with MovieFactory6 Plus, all recordings must total 4.38Gb (or less) for burning to a single-layer 4.7Gb DVD or 7.96Gb (or less) for burning to a dual-layer 8.5Gb DVD. If you want to fit more than that on a single disk, you'll need a Blu-ray or HD-DVD writer and more expensive media.

    Most high-definition movies from HBO-HD, Cinemax-HD, SHO-HD, TMC-HD, STARZ-HD, and Universal-HD will fit on a single 8.5Gb DVD.

    The average broadcast and cable network has 18-21 minutes of commercials per hour, so once you've automatically removed commercials with VideoRedo, one-hour programs from those channels will require about 1/3 less space.

    Typical space consumed per 60 minutes (with commercials) of HDTV:

    ABC - 4.4-6.50 Gb (varies by content and provider)
    CBS - 6.0-8.0Gb (varies by content and provider)
    NBC - 5.2-8.0 Gb (varies by content and provider)
    FOX - 4.4-5.0 Gb (up to 5.6Gb for sports)

    HBO - 4.4-4.8 Gb
    Cinemax - 4.4-4.8 Gb
    Showtime - 4.4-4.8 Gb
    Starz - 3.5-4.0 Gb

    UHD - 4.0-5.0 Gb
    Discovery - up to 8.0Gb (varies widely by provider )
    Hdnet - up to 8.0Gb (varies widely by provider )
    Hdnet Movies - up to 8.0Gb (varies widely by provider )
    TNT - up to 8.0Gb (varies widely by provider )

    Questions
    1. Why do you call this "creating HD-DVD disks with DVD media?" Shouldn't you call it "Copying HD to DVD?"

      The DVD-ROM standard does not support high-definition playback. Today, there are two industry standards for high-definition playback on DVD -- HD DVD and BDMV.

      HD DVD isn't just media. It's a standard developed by the DVD Forum for storing and playing high-definition files on media. Standard DVDs (officially called 3XDVD) is one of the disk choices defined by the HD DVD specification.

      In the early years, the HD DVD ROM format was expected to use standard DVDs with advanced codecs like AVC and WM9 (now called VC-1). It wasn't until later that the DVD Forum decided to adopt Toshiba's AOD disk format instead of Blu-ray and use that as the basis for HD DVD rather than standard DVD media. But they left DVD in as a part of the HD DVD standard, calling it 3XDVD.

      There are a number of different HD DVD authoring applications. In all of them, you select the HD DVD format first and the disk size second. Until Sony announced they would make DVD an option for its Blu-ray Disk Movie (BDMV) format, HD DVD was the one and only standard for storing high-definition content on DVD.


    2. I have a Sony Upconverting DVD player. Using the steps above, will these disks play on my upconverting player?

      Unfortunately, no. Standard DVD players will not play disks authored in HD-DVD format, regardless of the media used.

      Upconverting DVD players do not have the hardware necessary to decode high-definition. Decoding high-definition is very different from upconverting standard definition. Upconverting standard definition is incredibly cheap to do; decoding high-definition is more expensive.

      To playback full high-definition from DVD, you must have a HD-DVD player, a Blu-ray player like the PS3, or the appropriate playback software on your PC.


    3. Why didn't you include instructions for a Mac?

      My Mac is too old to do this type of thing, hence I don't have instructions for that platform.

      If someone else can post Mac instructions, I will add them to this topic.


    4. When will Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6 Plus directly support Tivo files, eliminating the need to load recordings in VideoRedo first?

      According to one forum member, this feature is coming in the next release of MovieFactory Plus.


    5. I see stutter during playback of my HD-DVDs. How do I fix that?

      If are using DVD+R disks, make sure you follow the directions in FAQ #6 below, or stutter may result with some players. Edit: I've added these instructions to the top.

      Make sure you have the latest firmware on your Toshiba HD-DVD player. To do that, select Setup -> General -> Maintenance -> Update. The software version is displayed underneath the word Update.

      As of December 5th, the current firmware for the A3/A30/A35 is v1.3; the current firmware for the A2/A20/XA2 is v2.7; and the current firmware for the A1/XA1 is v2.4.

      If your player is connected to the Internet, then you could use the firmware update menu to download the latest firmware directly to your player (remove any disks from the player before you do so). If your player is not connected to the Internet, then you can download the latest firmware and burn it to CD.


    6. I already have DVD+R disks. Can I use those to create HD-DVD compatible disks?

      Yes, but that requires an extra step or stutter will result with some players. Under the Instructions for Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6 Plus, substitute the following for step #10. Edit: I've added these instructions to the top.

      1. De-select "Create to Disk" and check "Create HD-DVD folders." Specify the folder where you want the files to be saved. Screenshot.

      2. Click Burn to create the HD-DVD folders on your hard drive.

      3. Once MovieFactory6 Plus is done creating the folders, close it.

      4. Open Nero Burning ROM v6, v7, or v8.

        1. Select Recorder -> Change Recorder and select Options. Change the Book Type setting to "Physical Disc Type" and click OK.

        2. Select "DVD-ROM (UDF)" on the left side of the screen.

        3. On the "Multisession" tab, select "No Multisession." On the "UDF" tab, click the "Options" pull-down and select "Enable Xbox (TM) compatibility mode." Ignore any warnings. Screenshot.

        4. Click the "New" button at the bottom of the dialog.

      5. Drag and drop the HVDVD_TS folder you just created with Movie Factory6 Plus into Nero. Screenshot.

      6. Burn the disc by clicking on the "Burn" button on the toolbar.

      If you fail to follow these directions for DVD+R disks, stutter will result on some players.


    Credits

    AVS' The Official AVS Guide to HD DVD Authoring
    AVS' My Blu-Ray Movie Burning Experiences...
     
  2. Oct 23, 2007 #2 of 195
    George Cifranci

    George Cifranci Viva La Tivo!

    706
    16
    Jan 30, 2003
    Columbus,...
    Cool info. Thanks!
     
  3. Oct 23, 2007 #3 of 195
    bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    7,902
    2
    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    Space holder for Mac instructions, should I get them.
     
  4. Oct 23, 2007 #4 of 195
    yunlin12

    yunlin12 Tivonation Citizen

    1,223
    0
    Mar 14, 2003
    San Jose, CA
    Nice, this is way cool!
     
  5. Oct 23, 2007 #5 of 195
    SugarBowl

    SugarBowl Member

    798
    2
    Jan 4, 2007
    Cary, NC
    I've been meaning to try and make an hd-dvd disc. Now i'll finally have some material.
     
  6. Oct 23, 2007 #6 of 195
    Da Goon

    Da Goon Registered Abuser

    1,396
    0
    Oct 22, 2006
    Been doing that for a while with content from my HR10-250. :D
     
  7. Oct 23, 2007 #7 of 195
    mattack

    mattack Active Member

    20,949
    19
    Apr 9, 2001
    sunnyvale
    If this is in the standard, why don't all of the Blu-ray players support it?

    Can this be done in multiple sessions (e.g. do one episode this week, burn to DVD-R, then burn next ep next week and then finalize)?

    Can you choose where the layer change is?
     
  8. Oct 24, 2007 #8 of 195
    litkaj

    litkaj Member

    257
    0
    Jun 5, 2007
    Exton, PA
    Sorry, but that is only going to be true for providers who recompress the original streams. I just checked my S3 through TiVo Desktop and found the following:

    • The Blob - 1:30 - 12GB
    • Cool Hand Luke - 2:16 - 18GB
    • Blazing Saddles - 1:36 - 12.5GB
    • Dangerous Liaisons - 2:01 - 16GB

    None of those have commercials, although they do each have a couple minutes of fluff at the end. Even so, none are anywhere near 8.5GB. I did have a couple of HD movies that were smaller but even though were about 6GB/hour (could have been 720p).

    I suppose you could split them to multiple discs, but a better solution would be to reencode the stream to AVC before authoring the disk. If done properly there will be no noticeable quality loss.
     
  9. Oct 24, 2007 #9 of 195
    bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    7,902
    2
    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    Those recordings are made from Hdnet Movies, which uses a 50+% higher bitrate than HBO, SHO, TMC, Universal HD, etc. That information is in the FAQ, where I listed typical hourly bitrates for each channel.

    With HD-DVD, high-definition playback from DVD was part of the original specification. They call it 3X DVD.

    Blu-ray added that feature at the "11th hour" because HD-DVD had it and they did not, and at least one major studio wanted it. Because Blu-ray added the feature so late in the game, many of the early first-generation players do not support it. I'm not certain high-definition playback from DVD is a mandatory feature of the Blu-ray specification, but I do know that the players I mentioned above support it. Some other Blu-ray players may support it as well, but I couldn't state that definitively.

    I've never tried that so I do not know.
     
  10. Oct 24, 2007 #10 of 195
    HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

    5,556
    0
    Nov 27, 2002
    bkdtv:

    Could you write a bit about 24p vs 60i perhaps in your bit rate section?

    Thanks.
     
  11. Oct 24, 2007 #11 of 195
    bdraw

    bdraw Member

    465
    8
    Aug 1, 2004
    Tampa, FL
    Nice job!

    Wow, I always forget how low those bit rates are. I guess it's not in my head that Blu-ray movies look so much better than those on cable.
     
  12. Oct 24, 2007 #12 of 195
    MJedi

    MJedi Member

    133
    0
    Jun 17, 2002
    WA
    Thanks for the instructions! Can't wait to try this... But, is Ulead the only application that can create HD-DVD's or Blu-ray projects?

    I hope someone can create the instructions for a Mac as well.
     
  13. Oct 24, 2007 #13 of 195
    aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    19,684
    116
    Jan 31, 2002
    Northern...

    Nero can do it also.
     
  14. Oct 24, 2007 #14 of 195
    bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    7,902
    2
    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    There are a number of applications that can do it. The problem is most applications want to re-encode the files. Re-encoding high-definition takes a very long time on most PCs and also degrades quality.

    Ulead's DVD MovieFactory 6 Plus is able to use the original, unmodified MPEG-2 recording, so HD-DVD and Blu-ray compatible DVDs can be created in 5-10 minutes instead of 5-10 hours.
     
  15. Oct 24, 2007 #15 of 195
    Saxion

    Saxion Substantive Member

    485
    0
    Sep 17, 2006
    San Diego
    I get an error "Could Not Find A Channel" when I try to open the .mpg file in HDTVtoMPEG2. Any idea how to fix that?
     
  16. Oct 24, 2007 #16 of 195
    bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    7,902
    2
    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    For some reason, I thought HDTVtoMPEG2 could open MPG files, but it only opens .TS files. Sorry about that. It looks like you will need to use VideoRedo to remove commercials. :(

    I use VideoRedo -- a great application -- so the instructions were based on that. But I wanted to give members a free alternative to VideoRedo, so listed HDTVtoMPEG2. But unless there is a free utility to convert the Tivo MPG to a TS file, I guess it's not possible to use that app to remove commercials.

    I edited the first post to remove the references to HDTVtoMPEG2.
     
  17. Oct 24, 2007 #17 of 195
    Canoehead

    Canoehead 1 of The Curs'd 200

    144
    0
    Sep 12, 2006
    NJ
    What about storing the product on a DLNA server and serving to a PS3 or Xbox 360 ?
     
  18. Oct 24, 2007 #18 of 195
    bdraw

    bdraw Member

    465
    8
    Aug 1, 2004
    Tampa, FL
    On a Mac you can use TiVoDecode Manger to extract and decode to MPEG2.
    Then you can use MPEG Streamclip to clip out commercials.
    But the only thing I know to burn HD DVD/Blu-ray compatible DVDs is DVD Studio Pro 4, which is about $1300.
     
  19. Oct 24, 2007 #19 of 195
    pkscout

    pkscout Active Member

    3,945
    8
    Jan 10, 2003
    Honolulu, HI
    When I tried that MPEG Streamclip wouldn't open the MPG file claiming that I needed the QuickTime 6 MPEG2 plugin. I have Quicktime 7 with the MPEG2 plugin. So I converted it to H264 first and then manually clipped out the commercials.

    Can MPEG Streamclip autodetect commercials? Or even clip out stuff? The only way I could get it to work was to set one in and one out point for the first act of a show, save it, and then repeat for each act. Then I used QTPro to stitch the files back together.

    EDIT: nevermind. RTFM.
    MPEG Streamclip doesn't autodetect, but I see now that you can cut out frames (i.e. the commercials). I'm going to do some more checking about the MPEG2 thing, as it is possible I never upgraded the MPEG2 component when I upgraded to Quicktime 7. I guess I'll have to give Apple $20 for a third time for this. <sigh>
     
  20. Oct 24, 2007 #20 of 195
    Saxion

    Saxion Substantive Member

    485
    0
    Sep 17, 2006
    San Diego
    That's OK. Your information has been super-valuable, thanks! I'll see if I can dig up a free utility somewhere that can automatically clip commercials from MPEG2 files. Until then, manually editing things in NeroVision worked for me.

    Edit: I've found a way to automatically remove commercials in MPEG files using free utilities. Not sure if this will work with HD files; I've only tried with SD for now. Download the latest version of ComSkip here, which is a command-line driven utility to scan for commercials in MPEG files. Then download the latest version of ComCut here, which is a GUI front-end for ComSkip that is a lot easier to use. ComCut just has a few options, and one of them is the installation location of ComSkip, which you'll have to fill in. Other than that, it should pretty much just work. When running the program, be patient, it is pretty slow process. :)
     

Share This Page